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Is it just me or are animes getting more similar?
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Posted 5/26/16 , edited 5/26/16
To be honest, it's not just anime, it's T.V in general, coming up with something "original" is harder than it seems.

All the more reasons we should try and not take excellent writing for granted.

It's rare when an amazing story is told. I believe that is why we're seeing HollyWood remake so many old flicks... they themselves have ran out of ideas...
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Personally, I love the lack of originality. I can go from watching five-six shows with giant mechs, all with similar concepts, then go watch Evangelion or Gurren Lagann, which makes those standouts even better. Look around enough and there will be those series that truly shine in the midst of all the other stuff.
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Rujikin wrote:

Gurren lagann was based on the getter robo series. The whole fighting spirit = power was called getters in that and it could restore broken parts or merge machines together.

Kill LA Kill seemed original though. Fashion = fascism. That's a pretty odd combination that was made to work well.


But both ultimately follow the Hero's journey

There is the Status Quo, Call to Adventure, Assistance, Departure, Trials, Approach, Crisis, Treasure, Result, Return, New Life, Resolution, and Status Quo.

Here is a video that sums it up. Also you will realize how Gurren Lagann and Kill La Kill do fit the Hero's Journey quite well. I would explain it here, but spoilers would play a huge part.

https://youtu.be/Hhk4N9A0oCA
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Well, technically almost everything has been done as stated. What I think you're asking and what I am actually asking is this: "How come its disguised so poorly?". You mentioned Kill La Kill and yeah it shares basic story elements, but at least it changed up the basics quite a bit. "Every high school anime is almost a scene for scene copy paste with the occasionally poorly integrated gimmick" is a general observation, but not entirely without merit anime does tend to repeat a genre until its dead. You mentioned that one AoT clone, and while I haven't seen it, it seems like it's following AoT to the letter. My advice is to sit back and let a few seasons go by and eventually the bandwagon will leave. That or dig a little deeper for the good stuff.
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welcome to the world of entertainment in ALL it's forms.
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What aiden said. Nobody makes anything new, nowadays.
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is it just me or does this question pop up every season
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Sogno- wrote:

is it just me or does this question pop up every season


Is it just me or do I feel like you like lasagna
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Just like at the typical ecchi harems that exist every season.
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Sogno- wrote:
is it just me or does this question pop up every season

much like anime, posters have run out of originality a long time ago as well
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Not much new in entertainment......robot genre can be traced back to Frankenstein at the bare minimum. Etc. Etc.
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No, it's not just you. I suppose it comes with watching a lot of series (like others have said), but you do start realizing it after awhile. I just avoid those.
I'm almost positive that that particular anime you mentioned is copying Attack on Titan because it's popular. It's kind of like how after Hunger Games became popular, dystopian novels that are similar come out all the time. This studio knows AoT is popular and makes money, so they know that is they make something almost the same to AoT, people will watch it/buy it for sure, because if one sells a lot, something almost the same is sure to. It is HIGHLY annoying (and making me way pickier then I used to be). I'm starting to avoid light novel based series in some cases because they're all copy/pastes of Asterisk War, which is similar to Absolute Duo, which is similar to Chivalry of a Failed Knight, and so on. And MMO based series are kind of falling into the same category to me. They have to be totally different from SAO, .hack (SAO is different enough, or I wouldn't have touched it), or Log Horizon for me to watch them. There are too many SAO clones.D:

But yeah.. like I said, there are a LOT of copy/pastes lately. Probably for the same reason. For example:
-Tena on S-String is almost a clone of Familiar of Zero.. to the point where my brother calls it blatant plagiarism.
-There's some anime coming out in summer that sounds like Gate. I'm not sure of the name, though.
-The Asterisk War and Chivalry of a Failed Knight were almost identical in episode one. I'm not sure how long they stay similar, but I didn't want to keep going.
-Almost any MMO series. SAO, .hack, and Log Horizon are the only 'different' ones.

And I know there are more. But that's what I can think of right now.
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Posted 5/26/16 , edited 5/27/16

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Look at the steam gun concept here, why couldn't it have been regular guns? Why did have to be steam powered?

Don't steal away my steampunk. There's little enough of it as it is.

I don't think anyone would argue that Kabaneri isn't a situation where a highly skilled group of people were tasked with an adaptation and afterward they wanted to have a go at the same type of story themselves. I don't have a problem with it, it's far from a cheap knock-off and its origins aside I think its successes and failures are its own. There are a lot of people working very hard now and for the past couple years to create Kabaneri, and I am honestly glad to have it.

Attack on Titan was not so great that the mold could not be further toyed around with.


1096bimu wrote:

Or maybe it's just because I recently watched Guren Laggan and Kill la Kill, some of the most original shows ever?

This isn't a knock against Gurren Lagann because I respect the hell out of it, but at the same time it probably seems even more unique than it is because we've never seen or often even heard of the generations of shows it's standing on.

GaoGaiGar for example.




GaoGaiGar is not Gurren Lagann, but even with just a few episodes it's obvious there's shared history here.


The similarities usually aren't as glaring as with Attack on Trains versus Attack on Walls, or for that matter Evangelion and RahXephon. But producing media is a generative/iterative process, you don't just pop out totally unrelated classics one after the other. If anything we're spoiled by anime, because it has significantly restricted output versus most other forms of media it can pick and choose from among literally tens of thousands of manga, games, light novels, etc.

Many of which are far, far more iterative than anime, especially anime over the past few years. There's always going to be a steady output of iterative, readily-recognizable shows that's the backbone of the industry, but when it comes to the creative cream of the crop I think we've been heading nowhere but up since the late 2000s. It's risky business though, the braver the producers get the more things that can go wrong and the greater possibility of their making a stinker.

Anime is literally a double-digit-billion-dollar-a-year industry, I won't begrudge their needing to hedge a bit with that kind of cash. The question isn't so much that they hedge, but how, and what they do with the freedom that gives them. If you're going to make an Attack on Titan clone, Kabaneri is a terrific one. It shows a mindful eye on the structural aspects of the original that didn't transition well to anime, as well as ways to make it a more fast-paced and exciting story.

Anime can be better. It can also be more original. But I don't think we're trending down on either of those areas looking over the past couple years. Usually when we have a poorer season (imo, ymmv) it's due more to the industry taking risks and failing rather than following formula and succeeding. But it's also worth mentioning that those formulaic shows fall flat with some regularity as well, so it's not like there's no incentive to be experimenting with new things.

Also if people think things are stagnant today they're giving the past a bit too much credit. No reason to not do better, but the old days weren't all roses either. We have it a lot better than I think most people will ever realize. There were times in the 90s where you'd be lucky to have one good show a season by our standards; one--singular--or less. Today the industry turns out more, better, higher quality shows in a season than we used to get out of an entire year or more.

And odd as it sounds, Kabaneri is outside the norm enough that I think we benefit from it more than it hurts. It's not yet another homage to ye olde days of space operas like Aldnoah, it's the second ever take on a steampunk feudal setting.

Relocated in its entirety from west to east no less, with many critical improvements. That's really not that terrible.


Edit: Just in case I should clarify, this isn't an "everything's perfect so stop criticizing" post. It's just... really, things are really good right now and I see no reason why they won't continue to get better. This is not at all a bad time for anime.
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Insomnist wrote:
It's not yet another homage to ye olde days of space operas like Aldnoah, it's the second ever take on a steampunk feudal setting.

What's the first steampunk-feudal anime you were thinking of here?
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cyberfaust wrote:


Insomnist wrote:

It's not yet another homage to ye olde days of space operas like Aldnoah, it's the second ever take on a steampunk feudal setting.

What's the first steampunk-feudal anime you were thinking of here?

Good point, I got carried away counting Attack on Titan's gas cylinders.
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