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Sad, you would think by now they would have perfected something like that by now considering how helpful it would have been in this situation.


it would still be too risky, and it could enrage a gorilla that's already in stress.
a stun gun (as some people suggested) requires the person using it to be close enough to the gorilla. gun was their only safe option.
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He's a four year old and maybe the parents got caught up in something in the mass confusion and crowd. They should have never let go of their child's hand but I wasn't there to say they were neglecting him either. It's easy to make mistakes. It's unfortunate this one ended with the death of an intelligent animal. I'm also bit appalled the zoo had no available tranquillisers.


The mother was attending other children who were throwing a fuss. before the 4 yr old even crawled into there & fell several ft, he said that he was going to go in there. obviously mom either didnt hear or ignored her child from frustration the other kids. regardless on a crowded day that child should have never left her sight.


When I was that child's age I did something that could be dangerous too. Mother was seeing to my younger bro and sis and I was impatient. I ended up in a pond in a boat by all by myself. I could have fallen out and drowned but I didn't. I scared my mother.

Parenting isn't easy and yes they do have responsibility. If you have more than two young children with you one can end up straying. That fence also does need to be child proof too. It shouldn't have enough space for a child to slip through. Now the worse I've heard of happening in a zoo was where a father lifted his child over the barrier to put the young boy closer to the tiger enclosure so the boy could feed the tiger. That child ended up losing an arm. Now that father should be prosecuted and I think he was.

They zoo did have tranquillizers but they'd take too long for the animal to go down and in that time the animal could be enraged. In that state it could have caused fatal harm to the child.


when i was younger i that age i did something dangerous as well, nothing like these two tho. i got ahold of video-tape fluid cleaner and well poisoned myself. they had it up high on a shelf above the sink. but i ended up being a climber..

Yes I know it's not the easiest thing in the world. I'm a mom myself. To one child tho but its not like i ever babysat for others. Most i took on was at the time my son being about 6 months old, a 9 month old and a 1 yr old. Most crazy day of my life! But not a single child left my eye sight. But so many young kids at the zoo on a busy day i'd be smart and have the younger ones in a stroller. Even with me having 1 child i use the stroller a lot & take him out to have a better view cuz i know those stroller views are not the best! haha i still remember as a child x_x But yes i totally agree if i was that 4 yr olds parent i'd be complaining about that a ton! it should not have a gap a child could fit through at all!

whattt thats stupid crazy?! ive seen parents making stupid choices but not like that! ..
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Why couldn't this get the main attention?...

Cincinnati Zoo Kills Gorilla To Save Boy Who Fell Into Its Enclosure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upal9CJfZMY


Harambe celebrated his 17th birthday the day before he was killed.
The zoo's director told our partners at WCPO the male gorilla carried the boy around for about 10 minutes.

"In an agitated situation, which the male was, it may take quite a while for a tranquilizer to take effect, but certainly at the incident he would be hit, he would have a dramatic response," Maynard explained.
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The situation is so stupid. Overall it is the parents fault but the fact they killed the gorilla straight away and the sympathy went to the kid instead of the gorilla is annoying. We keep killing animals in stupid ways and think of humans as more important as them. What do you think should happen to the parent at this point?


well i mean 4 yr olds are typically 30-40 lbs. gorilla was 400lbs. child fell roughly 5-10 ft into the pit that fall could break an adults bone. & i just watched the news video at one point the gorilla did actually throw the child a little. child's in the hospital for injuries now. but i gotta say i know if it was my child i probably would have had them do all cost into saving my child. but then again id watch my child so i'd never be in that situation. the crowd is curious on childs conditions, zoo keepers it seems 50/50 for both the child & gorilla. & parents can expect some hate comments on why they couldnt keep better attention on all their kids from other parents.


Who do sympathize over more, the child or gorilla. Personally, I sympathize over the gorilla more because I think it was trying to protect the child more than anything, sadly the crowd may have patronized it too much so he may have been exra protective.


yes i agree if the gorilla really wanted to do harm he would have right from the start. but you gotta think who you think was more scared the gorilla or the child?


But you forget it's just an animal. Among many things this means it likely won't understand the fragility of human children.

There have been many cases where wild animals kept in captivity ended up killing someone while doing what appeared to be playing or something similar. A lot of animals are a hell of a lot more durable than us especially when we're just children. So even when an animal doesn't mean harm it doesn't mean it won't cause harm.

Even if the Gorilla didn't WANT to kill the child the fact a creature massively larger than the child thought it could handle said child already proves the child was in danger. Just one playful smack from that thing could cause brain damage or worse!

So yeah shame the Gorilla died but in the end if the staff hadn't acted fast that child could have died!
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Tinamarie101 wrote:


NotACheesecake wrote:


Tinamarie101 wrote:


NotACheesecake wrote:

The situation is so stupid. Overall it is the parents fault but the fact they killed the gorilla straight away and the sympathy went to the kid instead of the gorilla is annoying. We keep killing animals in stupid ways and think of humans as more important as them. What do you think should happen to the parent at this point?


well i mean 4 yr olds are typically 30-40 lbs. gorilla was 400lbs. child fell roughly 5-10 ft into the pit that fall could break an adults bone. & i just watched the news video at one point the gorilla did actually throw the child a little. child's in the hospital for injuries now. but i gotta say i know if it was my child i probably would have had them do all cost into saving my child. but then again id watch my child so i'd never be in that situation. the crowd is curious on childs conditions, zoo keepers it seems 50/50 for both the child & gorilla. & parents can expect some hate comments on why they couldnt keep better attention on all their kids from other parents.


Who do sympathize over more, the child or gorilla. Personally, I sympathize over the gorilla more because I think it was trying to protect the child more than anything, sadly the crowd may have patronized it too much so he may have been exra protective.


yes i agree if the gorilla really wanted to do harm he would have right from the start. but you gotta think who you think was more scared the gorilla or the child?


But you forget it's just an animal. Among many things this means it likely won't understand the fragility of human children.

There have been many cases where wild animals kept in captivity ended up killing someone while doing what appeared to be playing or something similar. A lot of animals are a hell of a lot more durable than us especially when we're just children. So even when an animal doesn't mean harm it doesn't mean it won't cause harm.

Even if the Gorilla didn't WANT to kill the child the fact a creature massively larger than the child thought it could handle said child already proves the child was in danger. Just one playful smack from that thing could cause brain damage or worse!

So yeah shame the Gorilla died but in the end if the staff hadn't acted fast that child could have died!


yes i know all this. the person i been speaking with prob doesnt
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Tinamarie101 wrote:
yes i know all this. the person i been speaking with prob doesnt
But again this:

"yes i agree if the gorilla really wanted to do harm he would have right from the start."
yes and no..no..
They mostly take a time valuing the creature infront of them and could "play" like he said^^^test the insides.. ughh..
or that there was something "wrong with this one"

And he the cheese got not the cheese if played by these rules:

because I think it was trying to protect the child more than anything
Oh no..no..no defently no.
It was examenting about what he found dragging it around to discover or what ever plans it got or test etc.
Some animals can be protective but thats mostly when they LEAVE YOU THE HELL ALONE or injured..10-5% chance to be accepted as their own mostly by those who go by smell.

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You know I do a lot of reading in evolutionary science. Infanticide is common to gorillas like many primates. A gorilla male will often kill babies in order to stop the lactation of the mother and bring her back into estrus--she would then look for new protection and who better than her baby's killer? Killing babies was genetically rewarding for gorilla males and so the modern gorilla is descended from such.

I've read plenty of comments elsewhere assuming the gorilla would not have done harm upon the child. It's heinously idiotic. Some of the media is playing upon the ignorant masses to rile their anger by saying the gorilla was innocently protecting the child. I can't believe how stupid some people can be to eat that garbage.

The enclosure should have been better. A 4 year old got into it in such short time that not even the observers could stop him. The mother should have been watching her child more cautiously, fine.

Shit happens. It was tragic, but some of the comments are revolting. The mother nearly lost her child, but that's clearly not enough for some people who want to crucify her.



Ever the voice of reason, Judal fangirl. 100% agreed.
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Sounds like the gorilla was trying to help the kid out. Why is the life of that kid more important than the life of the ENDANGERED gorilla?
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Tinamarie101 wrote:
yes i know all this. the person i been speaking with prob doesnt
But again this:

"yes i agree if the gorilla really wanted to do harm he would have right from the start."
yes and no..no..
They mostly take a time valuing the creature infront of them and could "play" like he said^^^test the insides.. ughh..
or that there was something "wrong with this one"

And he the cheese got not the cheese if played by these rules:

because I think it was trying to protect the child more than anything
Oh no..no..no defently no.
It was examenting about what he found dragging it around to discover or what ever plans it got or test etc.
Some animals can be protective but thats mostly when they LEAVE YOU THE HELL ALONE or injured..10-5% chance to be accepted as their own mostly by those who go by smell.



Okay i also said:


well i mean 4 yr olds are typically 30-40 lbs. gorilla was 400lbs.


What i meant by that was its pretty obvious he could hurt the child without meaning to or worse killing him. They been cases of this happening before and both living! They didnt have to straight kill the gorilla but calm the crowd down and get their best workers in there and prepare for killing if needed. of course the gorilla would freak out about the incident with the crowd going crazy, a crowd those gorillas are used to seeing but not used to seeing acting that ways hinting something was up and knew it had to do with that child. So he got protective. Had no forward harms to the child the only problem risk endangerment the gorilla didnt know is strength differences.
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Sounds like the gorilla was trying to help the kid out. Why is the life of that kid more important than the life of the ENDANGERED gorilla?


Because in the end an animal and still an animal. We shouldn't be overly brutal with them or cruel because that's just not cool. But they are still fundementally different from humans and don't think on the same level as us or have the same sense of self awareness.

What if it was your child? or you? In the end we humans will value other humans over a Gorilla. But want to know something? That's normal all creatures will naturally prioritize their own over others with only rare exceptions.
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These types of news story remind me why I hate people, and it's no the parents I hate, it's the people overreacting. Yes it's sad that an endangered animal died but it was the only way to make sure the kid survived.

A few months ago I saw a womn walking with her child along the side of the road. She was holding the kids hand. She then dropped something and bent over to pick it up, she let go of the childs hand for a split second and when she did the child ran off into the road. Luckily the cars stopped and he made it to the other side. The woman was in tears and the last thing she would have needed is someone saying to her "You're a bad mother." or "You should have your kid taken away.".

The fact is it's hard enough to look after one child. And in a place like a zoo in the middle of the day is somewhere you expect to be safe so it's stupid to say that she should be punnished sevely for one moment of looking away.
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These types of news story remind me why I hate people, and it's no the parents I hate, it's the people overreacting. Yes it's sad that an endangered animal died but it was the only way to make sure the kid survived.

A few months ago I saw a womn walking with her child along the side of the road. She was holding the kids hand. She then dropped something and bent over to pick it up, she let go of the childs hand for a split second and when she did the child ran off into the road. Luckily the cars stopped and he made it to the other side. The woman was in tears and the last thing she would have needed is someone saying to her "You're a bad mother." or "You should have your kid taken away.".

The fact is it's hard enough to look after one child. And in a place like a zoo in the middle of the day is somewhere you expect to be safe so it's stupid to say that she should be punnished sevely for one moment of looking away.


Totally agree. People act like she just left the child alone and didn't care. But looking at the video it doesn't look like the pit was well guarded so that child probably took all of a few seconds to slip in.

Proof is that even if she wasn't paying attention someone else would have grabed the kid if they saw him. The fact no one reacted in time shows it likely happened too fast.

Also i'll say the old phrase "Hind sight is 20/20" even if the mom could have secured the child better and even if the staff could have avoided shooting the gorilla we don't always make perfect decisions in the moment.
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This was nothing more than a freak accident where EVERYONE was to blame including the gorilla. The zoo assumed nothing like this would ever happen due to the enclosure being safe for 38 YEARS! Yes, the child did escape the parents but it should be easy enough to understand that within a crowd anything can distract or happen. Supposedly the child said he wanted to go swim in the water (hot day?) and the mother either didn't hear it, ignored it or just figured the zoo took enough precautions to keep visitors (especially children) safe from incidents like what happened. I still wonder if the kid actually said it or one of those who are pissed over the gorilla's death spread a lie about the fact. As for those who believe the gorilla was just trying to protect the kid watch this video for more than a few seconds...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/30/us/gorilla-shot-harambe/

What was mentioned by witnesses that isn't in any of the videos is that the gorilla actually "flung" the kid.

Oh, and the zoo had absolutely no choice. By law in most states when any sort of animal "goes feral" they must be put down. Even if they tranquilized the gorilla in this case (and it took effect in less than 10 minutes without it killing the boy), odds are he'd have to be euthanized after the attack.

For those who think gorillas are all sweet, cute and cuddly...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZS-NMaTorg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2943275/Ouch-Meet-king-swinging-right-hook-Photographer-poised-close-floored-30-stone-ape-s-roundhouse-punch.html

I love animals but when it comes to an animal trying to take a human life that's where I draw the line. If I'm being charged by an animal baring it's teeth the last thing I'm gonna do is stop and go "awwwwww, cute!!". It's just common sense.
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