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It's not "wrong", but simply the result of not having seen enough of the world.

There's plenty of good and bad everywhere.
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keeton52 wrote:

Not all of them do. I used to be depressed (long story) but mostly got out of it. Though I had some thoughts that made me come to hate myself. (on a personal level) That has nothing to do with hating us as a species or our general nature. I still like people on a person to person level.

Or something like that.

It just keeps getting worse, what with the current election cycle in the US.

I still haven't learned how to quote yet, by the way. I get intimidated every time I try it.

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I'd say it's wrong to think there can be no good in humanity. There can't be good if there's no evil.

And there's lots of misanthropes on the internet because of deindividuation. Anonymity allows people to act in a way that would generally be frowned upon in a social context. There's no repercussions to trash talking humanity on the internet, so they take the opportunity to do so.


Right, but who decides what's good and what's evil? On a base, human level, evil is anything that tends to oppose you because you are good. Also, I trash talk humanity in real life. I'm a psychology major. It's my job.
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keeton52 wrote:

Right, but who decides what's good and what's evil? On a base, human level, evil is anything that tends to oppose you because you are good. Also, I trash talk humanity in real life. I'm a psychology major. It's my job.


What's good or evil is totally up to the individual. They can create their own definition or they can follow what society as a whole deems good and evil. Anything could be good or or bad depending on the point of reference. My good could be your evil, who knows. Life is just one big mess like that.

And everyone trash talks humanity in real life to some degree, I'm just saying the internet just makes it easier to do so.

Also I'm guessing you're some kind of behavioral psych major then?
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What's good or evil is totally up to the individual. They can create their own definition or they can follow what society as a whole deems good and evil. Anything could be good or or bad depending on the point of reference. My good could be your evil, who knows. Life is just one big mess like that.

And everyone trash talks humanity in real life to some degree, I'm just saying the internet just makes it easier to do so.

Also I'm guessing you're some kind of behavioral psych major then?


Mmmmm, exactly. So who's to say all of humanity isn't evil? Or good?

Also, no, since I haven't started on working for my doctorate yet. You don't differentiate between psych majors unless they go for that. I'll be going for a doctorate in clinical anyways, but behavioral and cognitive treatments appeal to me more.
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Mmmmm, exactly. So who's to say all of humanity isn't evil? Or good?

Also, no, since I haven't started on working for my doctorate yet. You don't differentiate between psych majors unless they go for that. I'll be going for a doctorate in clinical anyways, but behavioral and cognitive treatments appeal to me more.


Perhaps it will forever remain a mystery.

And I see, best of luck to you then.

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killerpanda3 wrote:



Perhaps it will forever remain a mystery.

And I see, best of luck to you then.



Thanks man. Maybe you're not evil after all......

Weird.
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keeton52 wrote:

Not all of them do. I used to be depressed (long story) but mostly got out of it. Though I had some thoughts that made me come to hate myself. (on a personal level) That has nothing to do with hating us as a species or our general nature. I still like people on a person to person level.

Or something like that.

It just keeps getting worse, what with the current election cycle in the US.

I still haven't learned how to quote yet, by the way. I get intimidated every time I try it.

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Oh, I thought they saw the worst in people-- therefore saw the worst in themselves.

Pro tip: you can start quoting a post by pressing the link next to the check box of that post. And start writing after . Preview button is there too.
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keeton52 wrote:

Not all of them do. I used to be depressed (long story) but mostly got out of it. Though I had some thoughts that made me come to hate myself. (on a personal level) That has nothing to do with hating us as a species or our general nature. I still like people on a person to person level.

Or something like that.

It just keeps getting worse, what with the current election cycle in the US.

I still haven't learned how to quote yet, by the way. I get intimidated every time I try it.

(Edit, add on: Now we see why I chose a Hachiman as my picture)
Oh, I thought they saw the worst in people-- therefore saw the worst in themselves.

Pro tip: you can start quoting a post by pressing the link next to the check box of that post. And start writing after
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I think I've nearly figured it out, sort of. I dunno. Practice. Anyway. The commonly accepted definition for Misanthropy is "hatred, dislike, or distrust of humankind." (Human Nature is supposed to be included too but the source I ripped this from didn't have it listed)

Cynics usually see the worst in people. I think for me it started at that and then slowly evolved into the other, but also never went away at the same time. It might help to find other Misanthropes to talk to and see what their circumstances are.

Anyway, I can't keep this up. I've got a doctor's appointment in the morning. I need to get to sleep.
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No, because in the end, all people care about is money and status. Both of which they'll do anything to get. People are never happy with just having enough and living comfortably. We have to treat each other like crap to get what we want. This is especially true in the USA, where we don't have a democracy. We have an oligarchy where the rich have controlled everything that happens in our country. We can try to elect people who will change it, but it doesn't matter because popular vote doesn't affect it. Now, you see people that favor a particular candidate that literally lies or tells half-truths 88% of the time and is openly racist and sexist.

It's hard to believe the good in people when you have people that want a shitter like that instead of someone who is all about helping people and getting the rich to pay taxes for once. And as the years pass, it gets worse and worse. Hopefully as the younger generations become the older generations, most of us will be able to think for ourselves and not just hop on the bandwagon of money whore news outlets.
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Everyone is a mixed bag of good and bad traits. The trick is to look past the bad.

For example: I work in construction, and there is a real grouchy and abrasive old guy on my crew. But I think he's a good guy, because he's got a lot of experience and when he sees someone who doesn't know what they are doing he takes the time to show them and make sure they can do it. He comes across as rude sometimes but he's got peoples best interests at heart. Other guys on the crew complain about him all the time but that's because they focus too much on his shortcomings and less on what makes him good.

There is plenty of good in humanity, it's just all mixed in with the bad. No one is perfect, but that doesn't mean everyone is bad.
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The way you worded your sentence makes it sound silly. It is obvious that humanity as a whole has brought both good and bad things to this planet and itself. It is easy to say that we've been doing nothing but killing each other in the past, but that is not true. We're in the year 2016. Look at all the things we've accomplished. Medicine is what I'm most proud of. Though we could also note that wars are still being waged.

It is difficult to answer the question on whether or not we've done more bad things than good ones. The thing is, we're not just a bunch of assholes. There are all kinds of people. Thinking negatively about humanity and giving a bunch of people one label is counter-productive. You got to examine everyone individually.
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nope never thought there was
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No, because morality is relative, and the concept of right and wrong are human constructs. There is no objective "good" or "bad", so it's not wrong to think that good doesn't exist.
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Nope

There's lots of good things but honestly the bad outweighs the good
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