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CHICAGO (Sun-Times Media Wire) - Six people were killed, including a 15-year-old girl, and at least 63 others were wounded in shootings across Chicago over Memorial Day weekend.

The total number of people shot during the weekend this year surpassed the 2015 holiday, when 55 people were shot, 12 fatally, over Memorial Day weekend

The most recent homicide happened late Monday in the Washington Park neighborhood on the South Side.

Officers responding to a call of shots fired about 11 p.m. found James Taylor lying on the ground near his vehicle in the 5100 block of South Calumet, according to Chicago Police and the Cook County medical examiner’s office. Taylor, who lived in the 6500 block of South Ellis, had been shot in the chest and was pronounced dead at the scene, authorities said.

Witnesses at the scene were not cooperating with detectives.

About the same time, a man was shot to death in the West Rogers Park neighborhood on the North Side.

Officers responding to a call of shots fired about 11 p.m. found 39-year-old Johan Jean lying in a gangway in the 6400 block of North Rockwell, authorities said.

Jean, who lived in the 100 block of North Ashland in Evanston, was shot in the neck and taken to Presence Saint Francis Hospital in Evanston, where he was later pronounced dead, authorities said. Police said he was 25 years old.

A source said the shooting stemmed from a dispute between two women. One of them has a child with the man and the other was his girlfriend. Both women were armed, and the man was eventually shot during the argument. No weapons were recovered from the scene.

About 5:20 p.m. Saturday, a man was shot to death in the Fuller Park neighborhood on the South Side.

Garvin Whitmore, 27, was sitting in the driver seat of a vehicle with a passenger, 26-year-old Ashley Harrison, in the 200 block of West Root, when someone walked up to the vehicle and shot him in the head, according to police and the medical examiner’s office.

Whitmore, of the 5800 block of West 63rd Place, was pronounced dead at the scene at 5:29 p.m., authorities said.

After he was shot, Harrison got out of the vehicle, fired several shots as the shooter ran away and threw the weapon to the ground, police said. No one else was injured.

Harrison was charged with reckless discharge of a firearm and aggravated unlawful use of a weapon without a FOID card, and ordered held on a $250,000 bond during a Sunday hearing, authorities said. As of Sunday night, no one was in custody for the homicide.

Earlier Saturday, a 23-year-old man was shot to death in the Portage Park neighborhood on the Northwest Side.

Damien Cionzynski got into a fight with two other males inside a business about 5:15 a.m. in the 6300 block of West Montrose, according to police and the medical examiner’s office.

Cionzynski was shot in the head and pronounced dead at the scene, authorities said. He lived in the 4400 block of North Nashville Avenue in Harwood Heights.

A few hours earlier, 15-year-old Veronica Lopez was passenger in a vehicle with a 28-year-old man in the 2400 block of North Lake Shore Drive about 1:30 a.m. when a black Nissan pulled alongside them and someone inside opened fire, authorities said.

They drove to Presence Saint Joseph Hospital, and the girl was later transferred to Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center, where she was pronounced dead at 2:59 a.m., authorities said. She lived in the 5100 block of West Fullerton.

The man was shot in the arm and suffered a graze wound to the head, police said. His condition had stabilized. Investigators think the shooting was either gang- or road rage-related.

The holiday weekend’s first fatal shooting happened late Friday, when a 25-year-old man was shot to death in the Ashburn neighborhood on the Southwest Side.

Just before 11 p.m., Mark Lindsey was sitting in a vehicle parked near his home in the 3700 block of West 75th Place when a gunman walked up and shot him repeatedly across the chest and body, authorities said. Lindsey tried to drive away, but crashed into another vehicle on the block.

He was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where he was pronounced dead at 11:34 p.m., authorities said.

The latest nonfatal shooting happened early Tuesday in the Fernwood neighborhood on the Far South Side.

A 30-year-old man was standing outside about 1:45 a.m. in the 10200 block of South LaSalle Street when another male walked up, pulled out a gun and opened fire, police said. The shooter then ran away. The man was shot in the shoulder and taken to Christ Medical Center, where his condition was stabilized.

Less than an hour earlier, a man and a teenage girl were shot and wounded in the South Shore neighborhood. The 17-year-old girl was walking on the sidewalk about 12:50 a.m. in the 2600 block of East 73rd Street when she heard gunfire and felt pain, according to police. She was shot in the back and taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital, where her condition was stabilized. A 21-year-old man also suffered a gunshot wound to the back and later showed up at Northwestern, where he was listed in good condition.

About 30 minutes before that, four people suffered gunshot wounds when they were caught in crossfire in the East Garfield Park neighborhood on the West Side. The group was standing outside about 12:20 a.m. in the 3300 block of West Huron when two males started shooting at each other, police said. The four were all wounded when they got caught in the crossfire. A 52-year-old man was shot in the right foot and taken to Norwegian American Hospital. Two women, ages 18 and 19, and a 30-year-old man all suffered gunshot wounds to the legs. They were taken to Mount Sinai Hospital. All four victims were listed in good condition early Tuesday, police said.

At least 55 more people were wounded in other shootings across Chicago between 9:25 p.m. Friday and 9:30 p.m. Monday.

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/147553828-story

When does the government decide enough is enough and take action in situations like this? For this many shootings to occur over Memorial Day weekend alone is insane. The shootings and death rates are astronomical in Chicago.

What is even more insane is that this all mostly occurs in a few square mile radius in Chicago. I thought Chicago had strict gun laws? Which don't seem to be working. How are so many illegal weapons getting into the state?

The stop and frisk policy in NYC needs to be applied here, people will complain, and some cops will more than likely abuse it but it would seem very effective in lowering crime. Baltimore Maryland in it's worse parts put cameras on every corner and more cops on the streets to severely cripple the high drug trafficking.

Chicago should implement a instant death penalty for killing someone, especially if gang or drug related.

Certain parts of America are 3rd world, and something needs to be done to contain the violence.

What are your thoughts on this?
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Nuke it from orbit...
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VividDreamZ wrote:

When does the government decide enough is enough and take action in situations like this? For this many shootings to occur over Memorial Day weekend alone is insane. The shootings and death rates are astronomical in Chicago.

What is even more insane is that this all mostly occurs in a few square mile radius in Chicago. I thought Chicago had strict gun laws? Which don't seem to be working. How are so many illegal weapons getting into the state?

The stop and frisk policy in NYC needs to be applied here, people will complain, and some cops will more than likely abuse it but it would seem very effective in lower crime. Baltimore Maryland in it's worse parts put cameras on every corner and more cops on the streets to severely cripple the high drug trafficking.

Chicago should implement a instant death penalty for killing someone, especially if gang or drug related.

Certain parts of America are 3rd world, and something needs to be done to contain the violence.

What are your thoughts on this?


Chicago actually has some of the strictest firearm laws in the US.
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A source said the shooting stemmed from a dispute between two women. One of them has a child with the man and the other was his girlfriend. Both women were armed, and the man was eventually shot during the argument. No weapons were recovered from the scene.
Stupid bitches.
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VividDreamZ wrote:

When does the government decide enough is enough and take action in situations like this? For this many shootings to occur over Memorial Day weekend alone is insane. The shootings and death rates are astronomical in Chicago.

What is even more insane is that this all mostly occurs in a few square mile radius in Chicago. I thought Chicago had strict gun laws? Which don't seem to be working. How are so many illegal weapons getting into the state?

The stop and frisk policy in NYC needs to be applied here, people will complain, and some cops will more than likely abuse it but it would seem very effective in lower crime. Baltimore Maryland in it's worse parts put cameras on every corner and more cops on the streets to severely cripple the high drug trafficking.

Chicago should implement a instant death penalty for killing someone, especially if gang or drug related.

Certain parts of America are 3rd world, and something needs to be done to contain the violence.

What are your thoughts on this?


Chicago actually has some of the strictest firearm laws in the US.

That makes this even more shocking. Strictest gun laws but the crime appears to be out of control. If the government wanted they could have the FBI, DEA, and local police lock down the area within a few hours. Setup controlled checkpoints, a heavy police presence will bring instant results. Wishful thinking but declaring a state of emergency in the high crimes area would allow the national guard to assist. That type of force would put a immediate decline to the drug trafficking, crime, and shootings.
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Nuke it from orbit...


This is a bad plan. There are officially no weapons of mass destruction in space. So, we'd need to put them in space, first. Let's talk dollars. A space launch can cost anywhere from $50 mill to $500 mill. A nuclear bomb will cost us about $2 mil.

It would be much more cost efficient to move our capital to Chicago, continue to piss everyone else in the world off, and then just wait for the inevitable. That's something that would hardly be a blip on the current budget.
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I think that if they ACTUALLY enforced the laws and sentencing instead of letting criminals plea deal and get out of jail early, a lot of this crime would not be happening. The problem is that most places consider it too difficult to actually enforce all the laws applicable so most criminals get a slap with a wet noodle and then they're back out on the street.

When I lived in Richmond, they had a crime problem, but they implemented Project Exile while I lived there, where anyone arrested with a firearm or in a violent crime would get prosecuted under every existing law. Read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Exile For instance, if someone were arrested with a firearm and 6 bullets in it, and they had a prior criminal record, Federal Law says they automatically should get 10 years for having a firearm in their possession since felons are not allowed to have them, ADDITIONALLY they get 10 years for each round of ammunition. So for a single offense they could get 70 years just for having a gun in their possession - not even using it. Those laws almost never get enforced in other parts of the country because too many district attorneys don't want to have to deal with federal courts.

It was once pointed out to me that nearly 80% of violent crime is committed by a minority of repeat criminals who already have a long record before they commit a violent crime. I don't know if the statistics still bear that out because this conversation was years ago. However, I do believe the death penalty should be an option, especially in violent cases where they are dealing with someone who has shown long ago that prison is not going to reform them or make them change their ways.
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I personally think its because the gun laws are strict. Criminals will always get guns, and for dirt cheap, due to the black market gun sale and sales of stolen firearms. Legally restricting firearms just takes away the ability for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves.

For example, if you were a criminal about to go on a shooting spree, would you choose the area that doesn't allow guns and has a low chance of someone stopping you before police arrive, or an area where everyone has a gun and you'll likely be shot when you pull your gun?

Its not a perfect system but guns do deter gun violence. Also take Switzerland as an example, their gun culture works. http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/

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people die and kill each other every day.
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VividDreamZ wrote:
That makes this even more shocking. Strictest gun laws but the crime appears to be out of control. If the government wanted they could have the FBI, DEA, and local police lock down the area within a few hours. Setup controlled checkpoints, a heavy police presence will bring instant results.


Okay, I guess I need to address this.

Guns aren't even nearly as regulated in the city as some people believe. You can buy and own guns in Chicago and Illinois with a permit, similar to many other big cities. The ban on handguns was lifted years ago, however even before that, the majority of guns were coming in from other states like Indiana which doesn't regulate firearms. If you can simply drive out of the city to buy a gun, do you honestly expect gun bans to work?
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VividDreamZ wrote:
That makes this even more shocking. Strictest gun laws but the crime appears to be out of control. If the government wanted they could have the FBI, DEA, and local police lock down the area within a few hours. Setup controlled checkpoints, a heavy police presence will bring instant results.


Okay, I guess I need to address this.

Guns aren't even nearly as regulated in the city as some people believe. You can buy and own guns in Chicago and Illinois with a permit, similar to many other big cities. The ban on handguns was lifted years ago, however even before that, the majority of guns were coming in from other states like Indiana which doesn't regulate firearms. If you can simply drive out of the city to buy a gun, do you honestly expect gun bans to work?

Hello Mr. Sundin13,

I guess you didn't fully read the conversation between HolyDrumstick and I. Which is fine, no worries. Let me clarify.

He said this, "Chicago actually has some of the strictest firearm laws in the US."

In response I said this, "That makes this even more shocking. Strictest gun laws but the crime appears to be out of control. If the government wanted they could have the FBI, DEA, and local police lock down the area within a few hours. Setup controlled checkpoints, a heavy police presence will bring instant results. Wishful thinking but declaring a state of emergency in the high crimes area would allow the national guard to assist. That type of force would put a immediate decline to the drug trafficking, crime, and shootings."

I was merely responding to HolyDrumstick, as it is shocking that Chicago has very strict gun laws, and very high crime rates. I honestly don't expect gun bans to work, and aware how easy it is to obtain firearms, what I do expect hopefully is for the government to lock down the high murder rate zones to contain the violence.
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It doesn't matter what state you live in - you still have to pass the Federal Background Check to purchase a firearm legally. Crowder tried to find the so called "gun show loophole" here's the video: https://youtu.be/UEihkjKNhN8
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I personally think its because the gun laws are strict. Criminals will always get guns, and for dirt cheap, due to the black market gun sale and sales of stolen firearms. Legally restricting firearms just takes away the ability for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves.

For example, if you were a criminal about to go on a shooting spree, would you choose the area that doesn't allow guns and has a low chance of someone stopping you before police arrive, or an area where everyone has a gun and you'll likely be shot when you pull your gun?

Its not a perfect system but guns do deter gun violence. Also take Switzerland as an example, their gun culture works. http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/



I agree. American citizens need better access to guns, to stop gun violence.
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Hello Mr. Sundin13,

I guess you didn't fully read the conversation between HolyDrumstick and I. Which is fine, no worries. Let me clarify.

I was merely responding to HolyDrumstick, as it is shocking that Chicago has very strict gun laws, and very high crime rates. I honestly don't expect gun bans to work, and aware how easy it is to obtain firearms, what I do expect hopefully is for the government to lock down the high murder rate zones to contain the violence.


No, I read it all. There were just a few things that I felt the need to clarify before things followed the path that they virtually always follow in gun control debates.

As for whether more guns = less crime as some others in this thread have been implying...well a causal link isn't anywhere close to having been proven.
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VividDreamZ wrote:

That makes this even more shocking. Strictest gun laws but the crime appears to be out of control. If the government wanted they could have the FBI, DEA, and local police lock down the area within a few hours. Setup controlled checkpoints, a heavy police presence will bring instant results. Wishful thinking but declaring a state of emergency in the high crimes area would allow the national guard to assist. That type of force would put a immediate decline to the drug trafficking, crime, and shootings.


Sounds like someone owns the police... I don't think a frisking policy is gonna work and with your gun laws you made yourself a target for more organized crime, you guys gave them a money market. Your only option is to lift some restrictions and use that as a deterant which is probably impossible now considering that everyone who could change it is in somebody's pocket. Lifting some restrictions though will more than likely cause a jump in crime seeing as how some people will use it to take justice in their own hands but it should slowly go down afterwards as it would scare some criminals.

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