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Post Reply Should US voting age be lowered to 16?
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kinga750 wrote:It would be interesting if there was a youth vote. Not one that would actually count, but a separate vote run parallel to the real election. It would give the youth a way to be involved, and provide demographic information. I doubt it would be popular or useful enough to warrant the cost of doing it though.


Actually, in many places, schools hold mock elections. They say it is to teach students about democracy, but really, that isn't how the elections work.
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Don't worry. It's all pretty much fixed anyway.
It's important to vote and all but if you're a democrat or a republican because that's what dad was than you need to not vote.
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I remember voting in school around when G. H. W. Bush was elected using a hanging chads form. Ah, those were the days. That was the only 'election' process I was aware of until the end of high school, when they voted unanimously to legalize pot and were upset when that didn't actually happen in the real world. Glad I didn't have to participate in that. Think it was only the 'student council'.
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Hell no, when I was 16 I'd have voted for the dumbest ****.
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FruitPunchSamurai987 wrote:
In America, being a citizen earns you the right to vote, no matter your qualifications. There's no changing that without undoing centuries of progress. Taking a class to learn about the political system and election processes better educates kids who might not even know what the major political parties are so they don't vote uninformed, which in my opinion can only help our country. These high school government classes are more comprehensive than you seem to give them credit for.


Wrong. Earn implies you did something to gain it.

As I said, the only people who earned the right to vote are those who fought for it....which, I'd argue, mostly includes the military.

Voting is a right. You DON'T earn them. If you had to earn rights, then a lot less people would have rights.

Those who fight for those rights earn them for everyone.


AND, it has nothing to do with how comprehensive these high school classes are or are not..... which, I might add, is not as much as I would like them to be. Regardless of how I feel about it, regardless of how you feel about it, regardless of if these classes educate kids enough or not.... it is not earning jack squat.

Again, rights are rights. If they were something to be earned, they wouldn't be rights.

I don't really understand what you're getting at. Are you saying everyone must fight for their right to vote? People of past generations (and current ones) fought to ensure we never have to. But you seem to acknowledge that. Perhaps you're thinking of privileges? Sorry, i think i'm missing something here
As for the right to vote, arguably following the law should earn this for you. Since it's those elected that create the laws. Therefore, dealing with any inconveniences the law creates should give you the right to choose who creates it. While some people have more of a right to this than others (like the military,) every law-abiding citizen has SOME right, which is what counts.
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If there is an age minimum, why not an age maximum too? 100 y/o people probably aren't going to be around long enough to even deal with the shit they're voting for.

Also if younger people are allowed to vote, maybe people will start to care more about the education system, or at least pay attention to their stupid kids.
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No, 16 year olds are disproportionately far left regressive liberals, and they have ideas that will only ruin societies and economies in the long term. I think the voting age should be upped to 25, since by then you've had "some" life experience, and aren't as much of a immature entitled brat, and have had to actually deal with the real world.
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No, 16 year olds are disproportionately far left regressive liberals, and they have ideas that will only ruin societies and economies in the long term. I think the voting age should be upped to 25, since by then you've had "some" life experience, and aren't as much of a immature entitled brat, and have had to actually deal with the real world.


So you only say no because you are a conservative? I guess the best way to win is by making the other team late for the game, right?
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Voting should be restricted to artificial intelligences that follow the three laws of robotics and can pass a Turing test.
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Voting should be restricted to artificial intelligences that follow the three laws of robotics and can pass a Turing test.


The Turing Test disqualifies most of the people on these forums, much less most political participants.
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I don't really understand what you're getting at. Are you saying everyone must fight for their right to vote? People of past generations (and current ones) fought to ensure we never have to. But you seem to acknowledge that. Perhaps you're thinking of privileges? Sorry, i think i'm missing something here
As for the right to vote, arguably following the law should earn this for you. Since it's those elected that create the laws. Therefore, dealing with any inconveniences the law creates should give you the right to choose who creates it. While some people have more of a right to this than others (like the military,) every law-abiding citizen has SOME right, which is what counts.


Jesus Christ....obviously classes aren't doing that good of a job.

NO. What I am saying is that RIGHTS are self-evident unalienable RIGHTS. They are things that people have because they are fucking human. NOT earned.

AND, then I went on to say that if anyone earned these rights....it is the people that fought to make them rights, and they earned them for everyone.

In other words..... the age at which humans can vote in the US has nothing to do with whether or not they have earned them. (Which, honestly....no....no...no....high school earns nothing but a high school diploma) The age to vote is more along the lines of: This HUMAN has the right to vote.... but at what age should this right begin being practiced? When are they wise enough, educated enough, and experienced enough to do good, rather than harm, by influencing the government.

And if you think that age should play no part....maybe we should let babies vote? They can just touch the candidate and viola! voted. Or 5 year old? They could vote on whoever gave them the most cookies. Or 10 year-olds....because SURELY pokemon cards are important.

As a 17 year-old, I get it....young people should be able to vote....because you THINK you are smart enough to do so. Well, good for you. But, guess what, most people disagree.

TLDR version: Just read the damned post.
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FruitPunchSamurai987 wrote:

I don't really understand what you're getting at. Are you saying everyone must fight for their right to vote? People of past generations (and current ones) fought to ensure we never have to. But you seem to acknowledge that. Perhaps you're thinking of privileges? Sorry, i think i'm missing something here
As for the right to vote, arguably following the law should earn this for you. Since it's those elected that create the laws. Therefore, dealing with any inconveniences the law creates should give you the right to choose who creates it. While some people have more of a right to this than others (like the military,) every law-abiding citizen has SOME right, which is what counts.


Jesus Christ....obviously classes aren't doing that good of a job.

NO. What I am saying is that RIGHTS are self-evident unalienable RIGHTS. They are things that people have because they are fucking human. NOT earned.

AND, then I went on to say that if anyone earned these rights....it is the people that fought to make them rights, and they earned them for everyone.

In other words..... the age at which humans can vote in the US has nothing to do with whether or not they have earned them. (Which, honestly....no....no...no....high school earns nothing but a high school diploma) The age to vote is more along the lines of: This HUMAN has the right to vote.... but at what age should this right begin being practiced? When are they wise enough, educated enough, and experienced enough to do good, rather than harm, by influencing the government.

And if you think that age should play no part....maybe we should let babies vote? They can just touch the candidate and viola! voted. Or 5 year old? They could vote on whoever gave them the most cookies. Or 10 year-olds....because SURELY pokemon cards are important.

As a 17 year-old, I get it....young people should be able to vote....because you THINK you are smart enough to do so. Well, good for you. But, guess what, most people disagree.

TLDR version: Just read the damned post.

I just thought your post was a bit unclear, that's all. No need to get so salty over it.
However, it appears i was a bit unclear with my initial post as well. I didn't mean that a high school gov class transforms every student into an informed voter - i only meant that it helps. There will, of course, be those who only try to pass the class, but they'll still get something out of it. Every small piece of knowledge counts in making an informed decision, so keeping the voting age where it is would be best. This is America, and voting is a right, so barring certain people from voting will most likely never happen. So making sure the people are as informed as possible would be best, don't you agree?
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What is it that an 'informed voter' would know, anyway? Most people I have seen and heard use that phrase tend to mean 'believes as I do'.
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FruitPunchSamurai987 wrote:
So making sure the people are as informed as possible would be best, don't you agree?


I do agree, which is why I feel like forcing people to pass a test, for which classes are provided free of charge, if the BEST way to ensure that happens.
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