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Razor_Girl wrote:

It's important because any evidence used in any case that can carry the death penalty needs to be properly handled. I was actually shocked to find out that at no point in medical school or residency are doctors taught how to properly do a rape kit so that it will hold up legally in a court. Apparently dozens of these kits end up thrown out as evidence because the doctor botched the job and therefore they can't be used legally.

Police technicians are trained to collect evidence at crime scenes and to properly log it and track the chain of evidence. Doctors are not. Yet when someone's body is the crime scene and evidence needs to be collected the doctor is expected to do the job.


Indeed, but it's important evidence is handled properly with or without the death penalty. It's a damn shame when it ain't.



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PrinceJudar wrote:

Indeed, but it's important evidence is handled properly with or without the death penalty. It's a damn shame when it ain't.





That we can agree on!
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Ultimately, the only thing the death penalty does is offer vengeance. Governments should not be in the business of doling out vengeance. It never ends well.

Objectively speaking, the death penalty is far more expensive, does not function as an effective deterrent to crime, is morally dubious, emotionally draining for everyone involved ( loved ones of victims included ) and offers no second chances if and when mistakes are made. Which they are with absolutely appalling frequency in the US justice system. The death penalty should not even be up for debate in a system that is not 100% reliable.

People on death row sit there for an average of 15+ years. During which the families on both sides go through emotional hell. One side trying to save their loved one, the other side unable to move on from the grief because the sentence could take 15 years to be carried out. While you constantly worry whether or not one of the perpetrator's appeals will be granted. You keep having to show up for legal proceedings and what not. Constantly reminded of your loss while you focus anger/hate at someone for years.

And then if it turns out there was a fuck up? What then? What if you spent a decade pushing to have someone killed only to have it turn out the guy was innocent and the real perpetrator is still walking around. Not only do you have no closure and have years of hate/anger/misery on your shoulders. But now you have guilt and regret as well because you may have had a hand in killing an innocent person.

So no, just, no. It serves no purpose, causes far more problems than it solves and ultimately accomplishes nothing except appealing to our base instincts.








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Razor_Girl wrote:

In reality, the entire point of the death penalty is to put a stop to the crimes committed by that individual forever. They never get the opportunity to commit another crime against anyone. There's no possibility that they will escape from prison and terrorize an entire community for weeks or months the way Richard Matt and David Sweat did after escaping from Clinton Correctional in New York. There's no chance they will be running things from inside or corrupting others the way things happened in the Baltimore City Jail http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/sun-investigates/bs-md-sun-investigates-jail-20150711-story.html They won't be able to attack anyone else once they're dead.


If the death penalty were actually designed to prevent future crime, wouldn't that be technically punishing them for crimes that they have not committed yet?

Also of note, prison escapes in Maximum security prisons are extremely rare. This article does a good job of actually breaking down some of the numbers: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/12/the-murky-math-of-counting-prison-escapes.html

PS: I love hearing people talk about Forensics @.@
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sundin13 wrote:
If the death penalty were actually designed to prevent future crime, wouldn't that be technically punishing them for crimes that they have not committed yet?

Wonderful argument.



Posted 6/3/16
Some people need to be penalized with death, but that's eye for an eye and everyone ends up blind.
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Laughing reaper. Nice! lol
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Laughing reaper. Nice! lol


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Well there is too many issues behind it, and so many reasons why you could be put there for "not doing anything"..
Or atleast to the rate of whats should be considerd deadly.

Hate how some can take the liking to the idea in some ways, even though many deadly games can be fun/entertaining just like any gladatior game etc..
When you are giving people a death sentence they could also be deadly about such (doing any means that could lead they giving up any reason and such because they know they will die anyway)....
Why people doing terror before they die to make some impact maybe?
And it makes the community overall worse in many ways.
Using horrible means to do a "pay back" with something they might even regret (where they now was sentenced to death once again..)

It could be a nice use of doing things, but overall its just clouden anything about or around it.
Its not weird they act and do this to the people anyway when you set them up for it.
Threats becoming more threating that leads to extreme actions against each other.

"evidence" could be created if wanted, and since they "don't have time" to take enough time to see the clues innocent people could be easly blamed.

And when someone you like/love/know dies it does create an effect around like again is with clouding or depressing the area everytime such a thing happend means this depressive thinking, acting and such could come again later to "bite" others so the cycle continues...
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ZavinRoyalheart wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:

death penalty is better than a life sentence.


Is it though? Some people grow to be quite comfortable in prison even to the point where they'd rather be in prison than be freed.


Those people would probably be better off dead.
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Kill him. Hes a plague upon this world. Let God decide his fate.
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KnightofDisrodre wrote:

Some people need to be penalized with death, but that's eye for an eye and everyone ends up blind.


An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind? Do you even know how to count?

Humans have 2 eyes. Removing 1 eye leaves 1 eye remaining. 2 - 1 = 1 eye

How does everyone go blind in this situation?
Posted 6/4/16

Rujikin wrote:


KnightofDisrodre wrote:

Some people need to be penalized with death, but that's eye for an eye and everyone ends up blind.


An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind? Do you even know how to count?

Humans have 2 eyes. Removing 1 eye leaves 1 eye remaining. 2 - 1 = 1 eye

How does everyone go blind in this situation?


They end up with cataracts.
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Conflicted. I was taught to support the death penalty. I was also taught that everyone can change and to love everyone.

In the end, I feel like no one has any right to determine if someone lives or dies. If people are that worried about paying for people in prisons, they could do much more to fix the problem with decriminalization of things such as marijuana charges and multiple DUIs, etc.

I'm a firm believer in community service over almost all other forms of punishment, for these minor crimes. Fines just end up making people struggle to pay, causing distress, and possibly leading them into more crime. Prison usually hardens people and makes them worse.

If we'd stop sticking EVERYONE in prison, there'd be no argument for why the death penalty costs us less money.... which, it actually doesn't, but that's the argument.
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i like the pink panther

also blue oyster cult
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