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Post Reply An actual tragedy involving the death of zoo animals
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Posted 6/9/16 , edited 6/9/16
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3602819/Naked-man-jumps-zoo-s-LION-enclosure-suicide-bid-survives-grave-condition-two-beasts-mauling-KILLED.html

Since this flew under the CR Radar.



Versus Gorilla incident

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- Cancerous comment sections wherever the stories are mentioned

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- Selfishness of the individual who caused the event

Personally, I don't know why they didn't tranquilize the lions on this one. They could have probably used a nice nap after a nice meal.
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Tranquilizer doesn't work like how you think it does in the movies. It takes a good 45 minutes (give or take) to actually be effective, in that time, the Lions could have mauled the man to death and the Gorilla incident could have potentially gone amiss as well (we'll never know).

It's sort of a situation where it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't."

Kill the animals, internet outrage because innocent animals were killed. Don't kill the animals, internet outrage because you let said persons die when you could have done something.

You can't really win in these situations; it will always be a PR nightmare. It's easy for keyboard warriors to get mad and all, and the entire thing gets overblown.
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Posted 6/9/16 , edited 6/9/16

ForCom5 wrote:

Tranquilizer doesn't work like how you think it does in the movies. It takes a good 45 minutes (give or take) to actually be effective, in that time, the Lions could have mauled the man to death and the Gorilla incident could have potentially gone amiss as well (we'll never know).

That was the joke haha.


They could have used a good nap ...

after

... a good meal.


Personally, I think it's a shame that they faced harm due to the selfish whims of that idiotic man, but the gorilla incident was an accident.

A 4yo crawling into a place he has no business crawling into is to be expected.

A fully grown adult choosing to kill himself in public and involve innocent people/animals is a different story.

And I'm aware that tranquilizer takes a while to take effect. Which is why I can understand and am aware of the reasons the zoos took the actions that they did.
Posted 6/9/16 , edited 6/9/16
in either case it's a tragedy involving a man with obvious issues ..
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Posted 6/9/16
Dude has mental issues, best to leave these things be. Shit happens all the time. It's unfortunate but so are many things...

Posted 6/9/16

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ForCom5 wrote:

Tranquilizer doesn't work like how you think it does in the movies. It takes a good 45 minutes (give or take) to actually be effective, in that time, the Lions could have mauled the man to death and the Gorilla incident could have potentially gone amiss as well (we'll never know).

That was the joke haha.


They could have used a good nap ...

after

... a good meal.


Personally, I think it's a shame that they faced harm due to the selfish whims of that idiotic man, but the gorilla incident was an accident.

A 4yo crawling into a place he has no business crawling into is to be expected.

A fully grown adult choosing to kill himself in public and involve innocent people/animals is a different story.

And I'm aware that tranquilizer takes a while to take effect. Which is why I can understand and am aware of the reasons the zoos took the actions that they did.


There's no question he's an idiot; what was he thinking, exactly.

The issue is do we place blame on a mentally incompetent individual alone, or on both him and the zoo for not preventing it?
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Posted 6/9/16

XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

That was the joke haha.


I figured such, but for the sake of others. :)

It really is an unfortunate turn of events. For the Lion event, it seems obvious the guy had mental problems, so saving him will likely be worthwhile. The kid on the other hand was a hit or miss. Gorillas can tear fully grown men a new one, so I'm sure you can imagine how a small child might fare. Personally, I think both instances are unfortunate, but the best decisions were made in each scenario.
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Yume_Mirai wrote:

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There's no question he's an idiot; what was he thinking, exactly.

The issue is do we place blame on a mentally incompetent individual alone, or on both him and the zoo for not preventing it?


Guy left a suicide note, though. Said he was 'the lion', that God would protect him. How would the zoo have 'prevented' a man determined to get at the lions and taunt them?
Posted 6/9/16

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Yume_Mirai wrote:

[...]
There's no question he's an idiot; what was he thinking, exactly.

The issue is do we place blame on a mentally incompetent individual alone, or on both him and the zoo for not preventing it?


Guy left a suicide note, though. Said he was 'the lion', that God would protect him. How would the zoo have 'prevented' a man determined to get at the lions and taunt them?


That's definitely a question and one I'm not prepared to answer.
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Yume_Mirai wrote:

The issue is do we place blame on a mentally incompetent individual alone, or on both him and the zoo for not preventing it?

No clue. In a situation like this i wouldn't place to much on the zoo without having seen camera footage.

On one hand, you have to wonder how far away he was from the pit before he jumped in, since he jumped in naked. You also have to consider that security may not have been nearby, etc. There are likely factors not covered by the news story that make the issue less black and white.

And on the other hand, you also have to consider the fact that most people don't come to the zoo expecting someone to off themselves there. So, the surprise element is at work, too.
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Posted 6/9/16 , edited 6/9/16
Well I would have shot him insted.
But again doesn't that mean the lions could be more aggressive?
Like something to do with smell and know these other humans with such smell is their target/meal? (at a zoo where children would put their hands into or something like that, or why they couldn't shoot infront of customers).
Dunno really but wouldn't shoot the animals if he was animal meat allready (like what should they do once the save him that is broken in so many ways?

Mentally damaged people like this could nearly do anything to get their goal/thing.
So its not really easy to avoid such people when they take action like that.
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ForCom5 wrote:

Personally, I think both instances are unfortunate, but the best decisions were made in each scenario.

They are unfortunate. It's just that it's sad that people put the handlers at the stake through sheer ignorance of how tranquilizers are used in reality.
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Posted 6/9/16 , edited 6/9/16
Let's not overlook the fact that the man was mauled.

Sure, it was his fault, and he certainly got what he deserved - but that's the point. This man suffered for the death of those lions. And that, to me, is justice.
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Posted 6/9/16 , edited 6/9/16
They said something about him being a paying customer and that maybe by law is someone that in their responsability if something should happen?

But still by then I would mostly have shot him.
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Posted 6/9/16
I know! They should set up guard towers near these enclosures, and have guards armed with less lethal armaments like beanbags and rubber rounds on constant standby in case someone decides to try to repeat this. Then they could shoot them until they submit, and the animals would be safe and clean. The perpetrator would probably even survive, too.
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