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If ethics did not have such a big part in science, we would be neck deep in cat girls right now. Go ethics.
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There have been plenty of historical instances of when the ideal of scientific advancement became less important than ethics. Eugenics, Social Darwinism, as well as Race theory and the attitudes it justified are examples that come to mind, even if they were more along the lines of "pseudoscience" (That's what happens when politics gets into science, as PrinceJudar mentioned).

I remember one instance where my Science Fiction Class professor invited a friend of hers who worked in genetic engineering to be a guest speaker. One thing he talked about was the importance of a clearly defined code of ethics when doing research, because you need to seriously consider the potential for misuse and suffering, and you have to seriously ask whether any suffering can be justified by the advancement. If you don't, then you end up with guys like the sociopaths who ran Japanese Imperial Army Unit 731. That is THE example of science without ethics.
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PrinceJudar wrote:

Science needs ethics, what it doesn't need is politics.



Exactly this.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

So im all for ethics and science both are important however i have noticed sometimes peoples ethics holds science back especially when it's for the greater good.

Right? All these feelings that are made out to be greater than empirical data and research.

I completely agree.
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Baghdad was once the science capital of the world. It had the brightest people on the earth, now look. Ethics can be incredibly detrimental to pursuit of goals. At some point people invoke god and come up with morals and principles that go against the grain of science for some reason. People's morals shouldn't get in the way of advance. I feel like the original post was aimed toward religious people believing bringing back the unconscious would weaken their thought/belief of afterlife.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZCuF733p88

Degrease tyson explains how ideology and moralities can destroy advance in science and hinder humans.
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PrinceJudar wrote:

Science needs ethics, what it doesn't need is politics.





EarthLight22 wrote:Exactly this.


Oh My God!!! Nice avatar lol hermit purple.

Science need not ethics, humans need ethics so they don't destroy themselves with science. Science needs nothing except something to do it. Ethics will not help but only deter science. Ethics will however preserve beings to do science. I guess I can understand the circle though. Science needs ethics to prevent tragedy so we can continue doing science. Science should be free of anything pertaining to bias, when entering a lab you should throw all your morals out the door. Ethics should effect what we do with scientific knowledge not necessarily the science itself. I really just wanted to say, Oh My God!!!!
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A lot of bad stuff has been done "for the greater good."
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HuastecoOtaku wrote:

Human right violations in the name of science are terrible and those who do them should be imprisoned.


I am in agreement with this.
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Ryulightorb wrote:
I have been trying to keep up with a scientific test that's being done to try bring dead people (brain dead) back to life and first of all anyone would think ...that sounds like it's worth trying if they have research done and believe they have a shot.


Er, you know what brain dead means right? There has to be more to this story than just that.

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stem cell research

It should be done more, really.


Then sometimes you have people who fuck with science like Andrew Wakefield.
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Ryulightorb wrote:
I have been trying to keep up with a scientific test that's being done to try bring dead people (brain dead) back to life and first of all anyone would think ...that sounds like it's worth trying if they have research done and believe they have a shot.


Er, you know what brain dead means right? There has to be more to this story than just that.



Yeah I do.

Their idea isn't that far fetched in theory but if they can reboot a brain is something we have yet to see
Posted 6/13/16
So as much as there's a lot of unethical experiments that would progress science greatly, the scientists that would do them would have to be massive wankers.
Ok help I just convinced myself that science is better off being unethical somebody drag me out of this.
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I think there should be balance. A couple of years ago, I heavily read up on the Eugenics Movement. All those games, movies, and documentaries involving haunted and corrupt sanitariums makes sense, now.
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Ryulightorb wrote:
Yeah I do.

Their idea isn't that far fetched in theory but if they can reboot a brain is something we have yet to see


Well, you can't exactly reboot brain death. Do you have a link to the story you're talking about? I'm sensing there's a lot more details to this that would clarify what you mean.
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runec wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:
Yeah I do.

Their idea isn't that far fetched in theory but if they can reboot a brain is something we have yet to see


Well, you can't exactly reboot brain death. Do you have a link to the story you're talking about? I'm sensing there's a lot more details to this that would clarify what you mean.


The human brain is much like a computer the problem is the decay of white and grey matter after one dies.
If the brain is in pristine condition it should be possible to reboot.

Lemme try find it


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3572735/Lazarus-trial-hopes-REVERSE-death-Reanimation-firm-gets-ethical-approval-bring-brain-dead-people-life.html

Is a news mail article for it i found.


In theory it's possible if you have not lost everything and if their is damage you can possibly heal it with stem cells (not now of course but in the future if stem cells work as well as researches chock them up to be)

All Humans are, are just biological machines if it can go offline it can go online.
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