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Do you believe that good and evil actually exist, as some entity aside from humans? Not as a subjective and biased morality based off of an individuals beliefs, but an over-arching set of 'guidelines' which decide what is ultimately good and what is ultimately evil?

Essentially, do you believe morality is nonsense created by humanity for their own purpose? Why or why not?

Suppose good and evil is completely subjective, and we use ourselves as the basis for good, out of some desire to perceive ourselves as 'righteous' and as 'heroes.' Therefore, going off of this, wouldn't that make those who are against us 'evil' and 'villains?'

Suppose it isn't. Then who decides what morality is?
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I think evil exists and good is subjective, but that's me. Somethings are just almost universally wrong and can't be rationalized, such as molesting children or murdering your cheating husband in a fit of jealous rage. Do I believe they are constructed? Yes. Do I believe they exist outside of a social construct? yes and no. People are complicated that way, including this one. You're going to get opinions, not much more.

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Secular morality is the only morality possible, and it is not "nonsense." Morality's purpose is for assuring the survival of a group, as it determines things, such as senseless murder, to be bad for the group.
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Morality is made by humans, for humans.
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I think both are just humanity's way of rationalizing our actions.
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Morality is us humans trying to set up laws that helps us surviva and explain why some things are bad without actually explaining them. Evil is what goes compleatly against our known morals. Good is our definition of going out of our way to uphold morals just for it's own sake.

But does this mean a human without morals can be neither good nor evil?
In our eys he/she is clearly doing evil and wrong things but from their perspective they have nothing to base subjective things like good or evil of.
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Moral relativism.

There, I said it.
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some good points here already. but ye, entirely subjective. any human is still part of a wider society, so morals like protecting children, refraining from murder, stealing etc are usually made up from whatever direction society sways on those subjects. but much of the previous points cover humans, I think animals, at least animals with brains and social structures, have morals. if they don't follow the subjective morals of their social group, they are left behind, kicked out of their clique or killed by many of the others. since morals can be so subjective, animals that are often loners don't have a great set of morals and can be capable of something us humans would think is wrong
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Do you believe that good and evil actually exist, as some entity aside from humans? Not as a subjective and biased morality based off of an individuals beliefs, but an over-arching set of 'guidelines' which decide what is ultimately good and what is ultimately evil?

Essentially, do you believe morality is nonsense created by humanity for their own purpose? Why or why not?

Suppose good and evil is completely subjective, and we use ourselves as the basis for good, out of some desire to perceive ourselves as 'righteous' and as 'heroes.' Therefore, going off of this, wouldn't that make those who are against us 'evil' and 'villains?'

Suppose it isn't. Then who decides what morality is?


Death Note kinda deals with this all brilliantly.

Imho, The Bible has a lot to answer for (Which isn't news). Satan certainly isn't the only figure in world religion that represents evil, or opposition - but he is probably the clearest example. God = good, Satan = Evil. But why is Satan evil? What has he actually done to deserve that label? I racked my brains trying to come up with a decent answer to this one, and conclude that Satan is evil simply because he opposes God, who is obviously good (they like to hammer this one home). Therefore a precedent is set wherein any opposition to what is considered good, is evil by default.
So if a group has an agreed moral code, and somebody steps outside of this code - they are evil. Its absurd. People are not absolutes.

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Slavery was accepted before.
Slavery is no longer accepted.



But our brains(Most of them) are hardwired not to do too much bullshit, but the bullshit can be changed, so partly man made.
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I think it's clear cut when you get right down to it. Evil causes pain and hardship for people with conscious intent to do so. I think, as it applies to the real world, it's less clear-cut because something positive for one is often negative for another. It's less clear-cut, but it's still not subjective like people like to argue.

Lets say, you save a bus full of children but to do so, you have to torture an innocent person. It doesn't matter if you did it to save the children, the fact is you tortured someone and you knew what you were doing. That would be a rough choice to make, but it's still very clearly an evil act. Just like killing someone is not ok even if you grew up in a war zone. People like to try to distance themselves from the consequences of their actions by rationalizing the why's and how's.

Evil looks to ruin things for the sake of. My parents beat me, and I was bullied, and my brother was killed in a driveby, and all that do not make an action more acceptable. More understandable, yes, but acceptable?

Good and evil seem clear to me, the people are the cloudy ones. (lol, which doesn't make this issue any clearer does it)
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Morality definitely exists, just as humans exist. With the axiom of free will and determinism, one can deduce that there is benefactors in life, and detractors in life, existentially. Anything that is pro-life is morally right. The basic needs are examples of this, shelter, food, etc. Anything that takes away your life, such as evil, or degrading thoughts leading to anxiety, self-harm, suicide, etc, are bad. These are fundamental morals everyone has, as a requisite to surviving childhood. Maybe you think it's good however, to bully someone. This is not really good, because it leads to your own degrading thought patterns.

Epistemologically, we can say that we investigate. By investigation we find many aspects of objects we wouldn't have found, like weight, hardness, etc. I think that if we investigate good enough, we will be able to find some ontological spirit. This leads into pantheism; things for the sake of themselves that mutually include your investigation, and sometimes emotional plot. This leads into will as a sentence for living to the last moment, encasing life and death; here, now, then, and in the future. We give ourselves up to the greater good, and sometimes greater evil, in this way, cosmologically.
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Yes, I believe in good and evil.
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I would say that good and evil do exist. As was said before both are opposing ideologies, ie the right hand path and the left hand path. These are both names given to different lifestyle choices in the hindu religion, and has been coined in other religions too. The left hand path denotes a hedonistic lifestyle whilst the right hand path denotes the path of the epicurian lifestyle.

Hedonism in essence is characterised by debauchery and invokes the idea of the seven deadly sins. A person who live in this way is likely to have one or more of them. The seven deadly sins are pride, wrath, gluttony, sloth, envy, lust and greed. I won't further describe these, a simple google search will enlighten you.

Epicurian is characterised by the seven heavenly virtues, which are directly opposite to the seven deadly sins, they are, humility, mercy, temperance, zeal, love, chastity, and generosity.

Whilst some people have identified the age old arguement, of would you kill one person to save a 100, this arguement is simply redundant. Whilst it is a good thought experiment it doesn't work in real life to identify the nature of good and evil. In ancient times people used to sacrifice any number of people for the sake of their civilisations, and unfortunately it did not help them to survive anymore than if they had not sacrificed anyone. This particular scenario simply outlines the ignorance that people had in those days. Nowadays this does not happen.

However what does happen nowadays is nations going to war over resources and teritories, invoking democracy and religion in order to justify their war. Strong nations make weaker nations puppets through the idea of democracy and then take their resources. In an ideal scenario strong nations would trade fairly with weaker nations in order to benefit both but in reality this rarely happens. This would be an example of greed.

There are many examples to the seven virtues and vices, which would take a little bit too long to explain, but it is well worth the research if you have time.
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