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https://youtu.be/qBlwxqqAprQ

This open minded gent spoke a couple months ago at the mosque....

A "private" event.

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"Wouldn't it be a crying shame if guns weren't so easily accessible in 'Murca", she whispered.


Alright, I'll bite the bait...

I agree that stricter gun laws would have the potential to cut down on smaller crime committed with guns in the U.S., although I don't think such laws would be received very well and I don't think all the guns that are already in the U.S. would just disappear (especially the ones that are owned illegally and therefore are not documented. You know, the ones that are probably used to commit the majority of gun related crimes...). However, I don't think stricter laws in the U.S. would do much in the way of preventing mass shootings such as this one. I think terrorists anywhere will find a way to get their hands on weapons. We have seen that this is true when mass shootings happen in countries with stricter policies regarding the ownership of firearms. For example, the strict gun laws in France failed to prevent the mass shooting in Paris.

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Elynne06 wrote:


DazaiShinju wrote:

"Wouldn't it be a crying shame if guns weren't so easily accessible in 'Murca", she whispered.


Alright, I'll bite the bait...

I agree that stricter gun laws would have the potential to cut down on smaller crime committed with guns in the U.S., although I don't think such laws would be received very well and I don't think all the guns that are already in the U.S. would just disappear (especially the ones that are owned illegally and therefore are not documented. You know, the ones that are probably used to commit the majority of gun related crimes...). However, I don't think stricter laws in the U.S. would do much in the way of preventing mass shootings such as this one. I think terrorists anywhere will find a way to get their hands on weapons. We have seen that this is true when mass shootings happen in countries with stricter policies regarding the ownership of firearms. For example, the strict gun laws in France failed to prevent the mass shooting in Paris.



Let's not even touch on how the club was a "gun free zone"



ISIS just came of the closet to claim this:


Islamic State's Amaq news agency said on Sunday that the Islamist militant group was responsible for the shooting that killed at least 50 people in a massacre at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida.

"The armed attack that targeted a gay night club in the city of Orlando in the American state of Florida which left over 100 people dead or injured was carried out by an Islamic State fighter," Amaq said.


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HuastecoOtaku wrote:
Christians got their shit together in the last 50 years or so.


In the Americas and Europe. Not so much in Africa unfortunately.



VZ68 wrote:
ISIS just came of the closet to claim this:


ISIS claims everything.



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For someone who so extols the virtues of America, you certainly don't seem to understand how it works.
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runec wrote:

VZ68 wrote:
ISIS just came of the closet to claim this:


ISIS claims everything.


"Huhuh, that cool thing everybody's talking about, yeah, we did that, that was totally us..."

(It sounded pathetic in the Iranian 70's and Iraqi 00's, and it still does.)

And I hate to play Blame-the-Victim, but if a Cool Secret Club wants to make themselves feel cooler by pretending to be "at war" with the boring outside world, they run the risk of what happens when some people are crazy enough to believe them. Not exactly a word you want to take literally.
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This is awful. Condolences to those who lost their lives and I hope the injured recover. Thankfully, there is a surge of volunteers and blood donors.

Apparently, the shooter did not have a criminal history. Though his wife did report domestic abuse. It would have been difficult for law enforcement to prevent this attack. Also, I'm not sure how the venues could stop such attacks. Perhaps airport level security would help,but that's practically impossible for most venues. On a side note, everyone should do some active shooter training; learn the safest courses of actions (where to hide, how to barricade, seeking cover, confrontation if no other option, etc.).
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Orlando, Florida (CNN)An American-born man who'd pledged allegiance to ISIS gunned down 50 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando -- the deadliest mass shooting in the United States and the nation's worst terror attack since 911, authorities said Sunday.

* The gunman was Omar Mateen of Fort Pierce, Florida, a law enforcement source told CNN.
* Mateen called 911 around the time of the attack to pledge allegiance to ISIS and mentioned the Boston bombers, according to a U.S. official.
* Orlando police shot and killed Mateen.


Yeah, pretty sure calling 911 and saying you are a member of ISIS doesn't have any meaning. I'm guessing he really meant he was an NRA member....



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Elynne06 wrote:


DazaiShinju wrote:

"Wouldn't it be a crying shame if guns weren't so easily accessible in 'Murca", she whispered.


Alright, I'll bite the bait...

I agree that stricter gun laws would have the potential to cut down on smaller crime committed with guns in the U.S., although I don't think such laws would be received very well and I don't think all the guns that are already in the U.S. would just disappear (especially the ones that are owned illegally and therefore are not documented. You know, the ones that are probably used to commit the majority of gun related crimes...). However, I don't think stricter laws in the U.S. would do much in the way of preventing mass shootings such as this one. I think terrorists anywhere will find a way to get their hands on weapons. We have seen that this is true when mass shootings happen in countries with stricter policies regarding the ownership of firearms. For example, the strict gun laws in France failed to prevent the mass shooting in Paris.



Honestly, I think you're underestimating the impact of gun laws on gun crime. I'm not saying that not having guns reduces crime. Violent lunatics will almost certainly find another way of hurting people - but perhaps America could make it a little harder for them to do so.
Illegal gun ownership happens everywhere - but I guarantee that the rate is lower in countries where guns are not easily accessible. I'm not even sure I buy your suggestion that more illegal firearms are used to commit crimes in the first instance.

As for how it is received....It wasn't very well received when it became illegal to have slaves, but that really isn't the point here, is it?




runec wrote:


VZ68 wrote:
ISIS just came of the closet to claim this:


ISIS claims everything.


This.


runec wrote:

Gunsmith_Girl wrote:
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For someone who so extols the virtues of America, you certainly don't seem to understand how it works.


And this.

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Yeah, pretty sure calling 911 and saying you are a member of ISIS doesn't have any meaning. I'm guessing he really meant he was an NRA member....


He pledged allegiance to ISIS. So like the Boston bombers he's likely self radicalized. By all accounts the guy had some severe homophobia going on prior to this. Not that details or complexities of an issue matter to someone that inexplicably had anime at the ready for just such threads.

The guy could have renounced Islam a week ago and you'd still be bending over backwards to blame an entire religion for this. So lets not pretend any of the details of the story matter to you in the slightest.
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I was in Orlando yesterday with my family. Spooky shit.
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This is a terrible tragedy, and sadly will get dragged up and down the media this presidential cycle, with the NRA scaremongering to drive up gun sales again. I can't wait to hear all the heroes going on about how someone with a gun in a crowded club could have stopped the guy. Or the arm-chair philosophers going on about Islam, as if every Muslim is ready to strap on a suicide vest. It's amazing how fast empathy flies out the window in favor of finding targets to hate on.

After this and Sandy Hook, I'm left wondering why in the hell assault rifles are necessary in the hands of civilians. No, banning them won't eliminate criminals getting their hands on them, but it'd be more likely to raise red flags when they try to obtain them. There's not practical reason to own them, and they enable massacres on a scale considerably higher than hand-guns. I'd love to actually hear an answer that wasn't 'to protect me form the guberment'.
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runec wrote:


VZ68 wrote:
Yeah, pretty sure calling 911 and saying you are a member of ISIS doesn't have any meaning. I'm guessing he really meant he was an NRA member....


He pledged allegiance to ISIS. So like the Boston bombers he's likely self radicalized. By all accounts the guy had some severe homophobia going on prior to this. Not that details or complexities of an issue matter to someone that inexplicably had anime at the ready for just such threads.


Remember when we thought the Shoe-Bomber (who was beaten up by the passengers, his perfect epitaph) was "a member of Al-Qaeda", instead of just his thinking he was?
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I know Obama doesn't want to jump to any conclusions as to not upset any voting blocks, but damnit man.

Nevermind he's an armed security officer who can buy guns. Let's blame guns anyway.




What I did like is after Obama tried to play everything off literally every other government official and news anchor stated or suggested otherwise.
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Fuck ya'll _____ loving race traitors. You are the problem and you will be the end of us all. They dont even need military might with ya'll.
I feel sorry for your children.
this line has been repeated throughout history in many different ways: negro, jap, jew.... now muslims
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