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Posted 6/15/16
Moderators shouldn't be obligated to tell anyone why they banned a particular user. I actually find it to be a bit immature to do so. However, a user should know why they were banned via personal conversation with a staff member.
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Rujikin wrote:


MakotoKamui wrote:

It's interesting how this subject (or variants) come up every now and again. Should the ban's reason be used as a warning to others, or should it be kept private to avoid extra shame/punishment beyond the ban itself?

Personally, I think the ban is enough. The rules are there for all to see, and other than spambots, everyone I know of that was banned got a reason why when the ban came in - with specific link(s) to what was posted against the rules whenever possible. Makes things easier in case someone wants to argue the ban, after all.


But English what if cannot into read? Rules how to follow if cannot. Banned still do I rules if read cannot into?


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No, like George said it amounts to public shaming. Plus its more work for the mods if they have to explain every little thing they do ( and spark what inevitably will be a mess of a thread every time ).



SnugglesGodOfDeath wrote:
There's an Orwellian quality to some threads when people are banned or post the wrong things. You can tell that something happened but its only on the fringes. You aren't really sure what happened or why it was so bad. Sometimes, even the explanations given are vague and can lead to confusion.


I've yet to be confused as to why a given thread was pruned or someone was banned. Moderating a web forum is not Orwellian.




SnugglesGodOfDeath wrote:It's not nearly as bad here as on some sites but the whole thing comes across less as "punish rule-breaking" and more as "enforce preferred ideology." Currently, in the wake of the Orlando mass murder of homosexuals by an Islamic radical, numerous sites are censoring speech in an attempt to prevent the linking of radical Islam with the crime.


Perhaps you should examine how people are going about trying to convey that message. Rather than assume there is an internet wide conspiracy afoot. Occam's Razor and all that.



SnugglesGodOfDeath wrote:However, simply allowing mods to ban and delete without explanation inevitably leads to speech punishment because the mods have neither reason to explain their actions nor proper oversight. As a result, only the moral compasses of the mods themselves control their actions. Unfortunately, many people believe that speech censorship is not a bad thing at all.


All together now, one more time: Free speech is not freedom from consequence and a private entity is not the government. You are allowed to use this forum because CR created it and lets you do so. In return, you abide by CR's rules. They have no obligation to provide something as silly as civilian oversight for a private website.

CR's mods show incredible restraint with the General forum as is only stepping in when things get nasty. Simply letting a thread devolve into toxic chaos does not help anyone at all regardless of "differing opinions". It only distracts from the topic of discussion. If you feel your "ideology" is being suppressed you should re-examine said ideology and how its being delivered.




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Should tell people which rule they violated and duration of their ban, seems fair. Every MMO I have played would tell people which rule number or rule they violated, some even when as far as showing evidence.
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DazaiShinju wrote:

I think if you're the one banned, you're told why.

Nobody else really needs to know - and anyway, with some banned users that I shall not name, it's fairly bloody clear why they got banned.


Let's just say, if a poster's banned, we'd still LIKE to know. As an example to others.
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The only people that needs to know why they got banned, is the person that has been banned.
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stars201 wrote:

No why would we need to know..


for when you get banned


Lorreen is pretty fair, and you've never been banned. No idea why you have beef with her.
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No, they shouldn't cause then It'll be like a guessing game for the person who got banned to play until they get un-banned.
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Posted 6/16/16

lambofgenesis wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


stars201 wrote:

No why would we need to know..


for when you get banned


Lorreen is pretty fair, and you've never been banned. No idea why you have beef with her.


Lorreen is awesome if I could buy her a cake I would

Stars well I have a reason to make sarcastic statements like this to her XD
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Posted 6/16/16
The simple fact that people can already tell that someone was banned means that the public shaming factor is already in play. So providing actual reasons for why someone was banned, if anything, would be less of a public shaming because people are likely to think it was for the worst possible reason.

It would be nice to be able to see the original posts, or at least see them in a redacted form with a note stating why they were redacted. I can however understand that if the posts contain images or such which are the cause of the ban those would need to be completely removed.
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Posted 6/16/16

Ejanss wrote:


DazaiShinju wrote:

I think if you're the one banned, you're told why.

Nobody else really needs to know - and anyway, with some banned users that I shall not name, it's fairly bloody clear why they got banned.


Let's just say, if a poster's banned, we'd still LIKE to know. As an example to others.


I think basically if you are:
Using offensive language repeatedly
Provoking arguments
Using hate speech

You're gonna get banned. (At least, that's the kind of thing I've seen banned users saying before being banned)
It's pretty much a no brainer. There's a difference between saying things that are inflamatory, and being an arsehole.
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It seems awfully nosey to request the details outright, without so much as a sliver of communication from those who are banned, to me. Considering that it's pretty rare for users to be permanently banned, I don't see much of a reason to shy away from asking them. Just "buck up" and ask. If they don't want to say, then "too bad." Besides, there's usually someone who knows what went down. If the topic of a user being banned pops up in a thread, it's fairly likely that people will shed some light.
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Totally, we could have the wall of shame like you see outside military bases overseas. Ya know that wall holds the pictures of the cunts who broke up with their soldier boyfriends while he was overseas fighting for his country.

It'd be epic, my name would there like what 3 times if I remember right. Of course I'd want to put my own reason why it happened. I don't trust a mod or admin to do that shit for me. I guess it doesn't matter it's all a pipe dream anyway.
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Posted 6/16/16 , edited 6/16/16
I would appreciate that just so I know what happened
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Posted 6/16/16
Hm I don't think public shaming would even enter the banned person mind.. Anyone here remember World of Warcraft Forum or those who still go there? XD

The Mod do explained the reason for your ban. I remember one guy was saying that mod banned him because he was trolling he was laughing about that because he never thought they use that term.. (He wasn't laughing at them, just laugh about how they worded.. Nothing insulting about the mods)

I mean, those who about to get banned are already sorta of making mockery of themself! :p Unless they weren't aware of them due to not reading rules.. Like making 5 posts in a row.
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