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The whole Britain First thing was debunked 20 hours ago, where have you people been?


Update 1830 — Widely quoted local admits he didn’t hear “Britain First”
Local restaurant owner Hicham Ben Abdallah, widely quoted across the media as having claimed Mr. Mair shouted, “Britain First” has told Breitbart London “No, no. I did not hear that”.

Update 17:45 — Eyewitness on “Britain First” — “Never heard that”


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Yeah, I'll wait till someone other than Brietbart "updates" the story, thanks. -.-



maxgale wrote:
As other users have stated, it is seeming less like it was politically motivated, and more like the guy has mental problems.


These are not mutually exclusive. Which is the whole problem.



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Of course, this is the same media that when obvious Islamic terrorism occurs says we must "wait until all the facts have been established" and even then refuses to acknowledge it as such, and instead calls for gun control, etc.


God, there's so much irony and cognitive dissonance in this statement I don't even know where to start. And even if I did start you'd just scream at me for 3 pages anyhow.

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VZ68 wrote:

The whole Britain First thing was debunked 20 hours ago, where have you people been?

*unrelated image*

Look VZ68, there's no need to pollute this thread with that sort of image spam. Someone had died, a British MP no less. A little more respect should be afforded given the seriousness of this issue. The kind of image you've just posted lowers the tone of the whole thread.


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Why did this guy scream 'Britain First?' Was this woman opposed?


I heard about this when I came home from work today and like others, was surprised that this was in the UK. RIP to Ms Cox and condolescences to her family.

and to the people of Britain.


ETA: edited because I found the thread that explained it more.

It sounds like you've found your answers in another thread. Still, to anyone just dropping into this thread who hasn't been following UK politics lately I feel that a bit of an explanation is in order.

The real issue here isn't gun control but rather the UK's place in Europe. Which is to say, the UK is less than a week away from holding a referendum to decide whether the whole country should leave the European Union. Suffice to say, the arguments between pro-remain and pro-leave groups has resulted in what might be the most divisive political campaign in living memory.

Amidst all this a British MP has been killed. Inevitably, there is the risk that some may try to use the death of this women for political gain. There have already been some editorials (most notably in the pro-remain Guardian) seeking to do just that. However, under the circumstances, these efforts to score political points can detract from the tragedy at hand. When Jo Cox, the person who has been killed, becomes little more than a symbol to be used in a cynical ploy to sway swing voters.
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Damn, I thought Britain was a Gun/Knife Free country? How did this even happen? Surely criminals will follow societies rule and not use firearms and knives!
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Kintor wrote:


VZ68 wrote:

The whole Britain First thing was debunked 20 hours ago, where have you people been?

*unrelated image*

Look VZ68, there's no need to pollute this thread with that sort of image spam. Someone had died, a British MP no less. A little more respect should be afforded given the seriousness of this issue. The kind of image you've just posted lowers the tone of the whole thread.


I'm totally sorry someone I never met died.
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dragontackle wrote:

Damn, I thought Britain was a Gun/Knife Free country? How did this even happen? Surely criminals will follow societies rule and not use firearms and knives!


They even background check on plastic toys, how did a KNOWN CRAZY PERSON get a firearm?

Hmmmmm...
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I'm totally sorry someone I never met died.

There's no need for you to be passive aggressive either. The point is that a British politician has been murdered in the street, at a time when the UK faces perhaps one of the most crucial votes in its history. Expecting you to show a little respect for the dead isn't too much to ask.
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VZ68 wrote:

I'm totally sorry someone I never met died.

There's no need for you to be passive aggressive either. The point is that a British politician has been murdered in the street, at a time when the UK faces perhaps one of the most crucial votes in its history. Expecting you to show a little respect for the dead isn't too much to ask.


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VZ68 wrote:

You got another 649 of 'em

For the record I'm not from the UK. However, as someone from a Commonwealth Nation I do take an interest in UK politics. Especially now, as this EU referendum could have dramatic implications for the whole world.

Regardless VZ68, your efforts to make light of Jo Cox's death are in poor taste. I shouldn't need to say that being attacked and killed in the street is a tragic crime, irrespective of the woman's chosen profession.
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Regardless VZ68, your efforts to make light of Jo Cox's death are in poor taste. I shouldn't need to say that being attacked and killed in the street is a tragic crime, irrespective of the woman's chosen profession.


Don't bother. You're not going to find taste, empathy or reason there. Just let him make noise by himself.
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lol the 2 sides.. are like children only with dangerous views under the trigger -__-

even though I would like to support some of britain first.. but the more cult sides to it and followers naah

30 BRITAIN FIRST VS 3,000 MUSLIMs
https://youtu.be/ZlHOWnYN7J4

neither side is something good -__-
and when britain first wants something good.. it becomes again cult like...
Pushed into such a corner with beliefs that could be good if you helped them out.
But I really disgust the muslim community... at least in some areas.

Britain First faces muslims in east London (just a change of title)....
https://youtu.be/ct8ii3QQ3QY
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Kintor wrote:

The real issue here isn't gun control but rather the UK's place in Europe. Which is to say, the UK is less than a week away from holding a referendum to decide whether the whole country should leave the European Union. Suffice to say, the arguments between pro-remain and pro-leave groups has resulted in what might be the most divisive political campaign in living memory.


You're not wrong - I've actually fallen out with my own father over it. The trouble is that aside from the many arguments for and against leaving, it has become a battle of sensitivities and generations. The majority of left wing (and younger voters), like myself, tend to be pro-remain. Older voters (my parents generation) and right wingers (read: outright racists) are pushing to leave. Its obviously not as cut and dry as all that, but there's a huge misconception that leaving the EU will
a) reduce the number of immigrants
b) by reducing the number of immigrants, reduce the benefit Britain pays out
c) make everyone richer.
You seem intelligent, so I won't waste my breath explaining why all of that is utter nonsense, but nonetheless very attractive to some of the idiots that sadly reside here.


Kintor wrote:
Amidst all this a British MP has been killed. Inevitably, there is the risk that some may try to use the death of this women for political gain. There have already been some editorials (most notably in the pro-remain Guardian) seeking to do just that. However, under the circumstances, these efforts to score political points can detract from the tragedy at hand. When Jo Cox, the person who has been killed, becomes little more than a symbol to be used in a cynical ploy to sway swing voters.


There's a little more to it than that - but certainly it is a convenient fact that Jo's politics bolster the remain campaign. Her death shouldn't become about political point scoring, though I fear it will.


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Damn, I thought Britain was a Gun/Knife Free country? How did this even happen? Surely criminals will follow societies rule and not use firearms and knives!


If this is an attempt to turn the discussion to gun laws, I regret to inform you that the firearm is suspected to be home-made/customised.
It certainly wasn't legal. Nobody has said Britain is knife free.


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neither side is something good -__-
and when britain first wants something good.. it becomes again cult like...
Pushed into such a corner with beliefs that could be good if you helped them out.
But I really disgust the muslim community... at least in some areas.


Britain First does not want something good. It isn't run by good people. They use trigger topics like Islam to justify what are essentially racist, xenophobic values. I live not far from Luton, where a lot of the stuff tends to go down, and I can tell you categorically that they are not good people. They actively seek out violence, and are threatening and violent not only towards members of the Muslim community, but also to anyone they perceive to be foreign (anyone who is not white, in a nutshell). I have seen members, with my own eyes on my local high street, behaving in the most appalling manner. I'm not the kind of person who stands for that sort of nonsense, but even I would be too scared to approach them. They're absolute lunatics.

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DazaiShinju wrote: They're absolute lunatics.
aren't that for both sides.
Sometimes they can have an aggressive approch but in some cases the muslims do become/act quite violent.
Even though when the guy from british first said "arrest them all".. it was just.. they go beyond the law, and these try to use the law.
So just f... them both.

I am wondering why none of them has been attacked with a knife in public.
As that would be a typical response by some.

And what I mean with the britain first thing (even the name is a bit bad?) but at least keep england as england and cut the crap with mosques and different teachings.
But again what they do or want to go is not really like that, but I also dislike how religion can get such a power or community to support them as well where you will get more cult/extreme people on their side then a few hardend british people.
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DazaiShinju wrote: They're absolute lunatics.
aren't that for both sides.
Sometimes they can have an aggressive approch but in some cases the muslims do become/act quite violent.
Even though when the guy from british first said "arrest them all".. it was just.. they go beyond the law, and these try to use the law.
So just f... them both.

I am wondering why none of them has been attacked with a knife in public.
As that would be a typical response by some.

And what I mean with the britain first thing (even the name is a bit bad?) but at least keep england as england and cut the crap with mosques and different teachings.
But again what they do or want to go is not really like that, but I also dislike how religion can get such a power or community to support them as well where you will get more cult/extreme people on their side then a few hardend british people.


You don't seem to even remotely understand what the 'sides' are. It's not Britain First vs Muslims. It's Britain First vs 70% of the British population. England is England whether or not we have a mosque or two. Until recently, we've always been well known for importing culture and embracing the different. It isn't about supporting a religion - I'm an atheist.
It's about racism, ignorance and hatred. We are not a small minded place on the whole, and groups like Britain First are at best an embarrassment, at worst a real danger.

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DazaiShinju wrote:
You don't seem to even remotely understand what the 'sides' are. It's not Britain First vs Muslims. It's Britain First vs 70% of the British population. England is England whether or not we have a mosque or two. Until recently, we've always been well known for importing culture and embracing the different. It isn't about supporting a religion - I'm an atheist.
It's about racism, ignorance and hatred. We are not a small minded place on the whole, and groups like Britain First are at best an embarrassment, at worst a real danger.
I am not saying all muslims.
But there will be extreme in both ends.
And saying there is cults created in both ends only that britain first is more a pure selection of that but in some ways I can agree with either side or disagree.
Also how many religious or like muslims some from a different area has a hard time proving or explaining anything and makes the situation worse in that cult like view from britain first.

I would hate to see the whole mosque thing grow... but sure there are things we need and can evolve on/with.. even though some religious parts don't want to include science/math and such also go along with modern times.

I am seeing both as a danger to everyone and the development, but in how much or how much you can turn such a group to be "better" and more civilized can be good if someone has the time and wants to join them to show a brighter future or how to connect that is.
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