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Posted 6/17/16 , edited 6/18/16

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Thank you for proving precisely what I was saying.



You liberals only have snark and innuendo, and refuse to engage in any discussion as soon as it becomes evident you can't just shame someone into silence.


As I said to the other liberal, keep on doing nothing but trying to preserve your pride, so that more people can see your shallow ideology for exactly what it is.





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maxgale wrote:

No, what I did was answer your questions in a way that refuted your premise.


I can see why you might be a tad upset by that.


But since you said you're willing to debate, I'll ask you again (since you didn't answer):


If someone goes on a rampage, and says it's because "Elmo told me to do it," do we blame Sesame Street for the rampage?




Sooo, you really don't understand.

Right, let's try again, in stages. Please note that I will be quoting sources from the website I previously linked. Despite vehemently denying a racist position, Britain First are openly against what they refer to as 'Global Islamic jihad'.
They are for 'British values'.

So let's assume for now that race is irrelevant, and start here. Disregarding 'British Values' for now (which of course, are subjective), let's look at this topic of 'Global Islamic Jihad'. Please explain to me how this can be described, without using examples of extremist groups and/or attacks.





Wow, you didn't answer the question yet again?



Who woulda thunk it?
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Posted 6/17/16 , edited 6/17/16

maxgale wrote:


maxgale wrote:


Thank you for proving precisely what I was saying.



You liberals only have snark and innuendo, and refuse to engage in any discussion as soon as it becomes evident you can't just shame someone into silence.


As I said to the other liberal, keep on doing nothing but trying to preserve your pride, so that more people can see your shallow ideology for exactly what it is.





DazaiShinju wrote:


maxgale wrote:

No, what I did was answer your questions in a way that refuted your premise.


I can see why you might be a tad upset by that.


But since you said you're willing to debate, I'll ask you again (since you didn't answer):


If someone goes on a rampage, and says it's because "Elmo told me to do it," do we blame Sesame Street for the rampage?




Sooo, you really don't understand.

Right, let's try again, in stages. Please note that I will be quoting sources from the website I previously linked. Despite vehemently denying a racist position, Britain First are openly against what they refer to as 'Global Islamic jihad'.
They are for 'British values'.

So let's assume for now that race is irrelevant, and start here. Disregarding 'British Values' for now (which of course, are subjective), let's look at this topic of 'Global Islamic Jihad'. Please explain to me how this can be described, without using examples of extremist groups and/or attacks.





Wow, you didn't answer the question yet again?



Who woulda thunk it?


You know what? At this stage, I've concluded you're probably just fucking stupid. I'm done being diplomatic about it. I made it clear I was going to work through my argument in stages but despite having tried to spell out just the first portion in terms you might understand, I find myself here reading another reply that indicates you're not taking in what I'm saying. My question was not rhetorical. If (and it's a bigger if than I anticipated) you're able to answer that, I'll be able to move onto my next point.


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DazaiShinju wrote:


maxgale wrote:


maxgale wrote:


Thank you for proving precisely what I was saying.



You liberals only have snark and innuendo, and refuse to engage in any discussion as soon as it becomes evident you can't just shame someone into silence.


As I said to the other liberal, keep on doing nothing but trying to preserve your pride, so that more people can see your shallow ideology for exactly what it is.





DazaiShinju wrote:


maxgale wrote:

No, what I did was answer your questions in a way that refuted your premise.


I can see why you might be a tad upset by that.


But since you said you're willing to debate, I'll ask you again (since you didn't answer):


If someone goes on a rampage, and says it's because "Elmo told me to do it," do we blame Sesame Street for the rampage?




Sooo, you really don't understand.

Right, let's try again, in stages. Please note that I will be quoting sources from the website I previously linked. Despite vehemently denying a racist position, Britain First are openly against what they refer to as 'Global Islamic jihad'.
They are for 'British values'.

So let's assume for now that race is irrelevant, and start here. Disregarding 'British Values' for now (which of course, are subjective), let's look at this topic of 'Global Islamic Jihad'. Please explain to me how this can be described, without using examples of extremist groups and/or attacks.





Wow, you didn't answer the question yet again?



Who woulda thunk it?


You know what? At this stage, I've concluded you're probably just fucking stupid. I'm done being diplomatic about it. I made it clear I was going to work through my argument in stages but despite having tried to spell out just the first portion in terms you might understand, I find myself here reading another reply that indicates you're not taking in what I'm saying. My question was not rhetorical. If (and it's a bigger if than I anticipated) you're able to answer that, I'll be able to move onto my next point.






Still hasn't answered the question.
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maxgale wrote:

Still hasn't answered the question.


Still hasn't grasped that I'm in the midst of answering it, or most likely is stalling.

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Just read about it. That's really sad.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/17/europe/british-mp-jo-cox-killed/

What really strikes me is that everything in the UK has ground to a halt in the wake of the tragedy. Something like this would be just another day here in the US.
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DazaiShinju wrote:


maxgale wrote:

Still hasn't answered the question.


Still hasn't grasped that I'm in the midst of answering it, or most likely is stalling.






Still hasn't answered it!


"In the midst of answering it?"


It's a simple question:


"If someone goes on a rampage because they say, 'Elmo told me to do it,' do we blame Sesame Street? Yes or no?"
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It depends. Did Don Elmo really tell him to do it?
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DazaiShinju wrote:


maxgale wrote:


maxgale wrote:


Thank you for proving precisely what I was saying.



You liberals only have snark and innuendo, and refuse to engage in any discussion as soon as it becomes evident you can't just shame someone into silence.


As I said to the other liberal, keep on doing nothing but trying to preserve your pride, so that more people can see your shallow ideology for exactly what it is.





DazaiShinju wrote:


maxgale wrote:

No, what I did was answer your questions in a way that refuted your premise.


I can see why you might be a tad upset by that.


But since you said you're willing to debate, I'll ask you again (since you didn't answer):


If someone goes on a rampage, and says it's because "Elmo told me to do it," do we blame Sesame Street for the rampage?




Sooo, you really don't understand.

Right, let's try again, in stages. Please note that I will be quoting sources from the website I previously linked. Despite vehemently denying a racist position, Britain First are openly against what they refer to as 'Global Islamic jihad'.
They are for 'British values'.

So let's assume for now that race is irrelevant, and start here. Disregarding 'British Values' for now (which of course, are subjective), let's look at this topic of 'Global Islamic Jihad'. Please explain to me how this can be described, without using examples of extremist groups and/or attacks.





Wow, you didn't answer the question yet again?



Who woulda thunk it?


You know what? At this stage, I've concluded you're probably just fucking stupid.




Way to lose an argument.


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It depends. Did Don Elmo really tell him to do it?


I can see Elmo really telling someone to do it.

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Posted 6/18/16 , edited 6/18/16

maxgale wrote:


DazaiShinju wrote:


maxgale wrote:

Still hasn't answered the question.


Still hasn't grasped that I'm in the midst of answering it, or most likely is stalling.






Still hasn't answered it!


"In the midst of answering it?"


It's a simple question:


"If someone goes on a rampage because they say, 'Elmo told me to do it,' do we blame Sesame Street? Yes or no?"


What I've been trying to do (although it feels more like running headfirst into a wall) is to explain that your question in the first place is absurd - not least because your analogy doesn't work.
No single individual has been implicated as 'Elmo', but I'll run with your (laughable) use of 'Sesame Street' to represent any given organisation.
'Britain First' didn't tell the gunman to shoot anymore than 'Islam' told the Orlando shooter to kill 49 people.
Yet 'Britain First' blame Muslims for crimes committed in the name of 'Islam', but refuse to accept any portion of responsibility for crimes committed in their name. The difference here is, that Britain First are all extremists, whereas all Muslims are not. It is barely possible to suggest that you can have any discussion with BF supporters and not hear numerous examples of unchecked hate speech, threats of violence and racial slurs - all of which are criminal offences.
The question is not 'Do we blame Sesame Street', but rather 'What gives Sesame Street the right to exist?'
Why is Britain First allowed to operate on such an enormous scale (proportionate to say, smaller groups of 3-4 people) in the UK, when it is linked to numerous examples of hate crimes? At what point does a group cease to be simply a group of like minded people, but an organization of extremists?
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Posted 6/18/16

DazaiShinju wrote:
What I've been trying to do (although it feels more like running headfirst into a wall) is to explain that your question in the first place is absurd - not least because your analogy doesn't work.


Turn back! It's not too late to save yourself.
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runec wrote:


DazaiShinju wrote:
What I've been trying to do (although it feels more like running headfirst into a wall) is to explain that your question in the first place is absurd - not least because your analogy doesn't work.


Turn back! It's not too late to save yourself.


It is too late. She's fallen into a Maxgale vortex. She is trapped in his cyclonic area of devastation. Never able to see eye to eye, this thread will continue to grow and grow..
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gornotck wrote:
It is too late. She's fallen into a Maxgale vortex. She is trapped in his cyclonic area of devastation. Never able to see eye to eye, this thread will continue to grow and grow..


We can't give up on her. There's still a chance. Do you have a rope? Something we can pull her out with?

Maybe a truck winch?
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More people in the UK want to leave the EU now, but I don't think that the Brits have the stones to strike out on their own.
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There's some updated information.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/18/europe/jo-cox-suspect-tommy-mair-court/index.html

Looks he may have had interests in right-wing extremist and white supremacist groups.
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Why would a Brexit supporter kill an pro-EU MP when his side has a clear edge in the polls and has momentum. Sounds sketchy as fuck.
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