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Posted 7/1/17 , edited 7/1/17

Ashliet wrote:


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4 things that are made clear:
1. Goblins are evil
2. Goblins are not stupid
3 There are only male goblins
4. Underestimate them at your peril.


You know, they never made it clear whether or not the women were giving birth to goblins or not. I mean it could be seen that way but then they said right after raping them they eat the women so I'm not sure how they procreate.


It's made clearer in the later chapters, (and in the LN) but the goblin children are from captive women.
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The gang rapes of those girls and mental break was really unecesarry, just like in Berserk.
Yeah give us a sentimental memory scene then rape them, there was no point. It didn't add anything
It's not nearly so bad as how they make Broodmothers in Dragon Age
or even as bad as Berserk.

Edit - I stopped caring the more I read it. The manga itself got alot better.


I thought it was really necessary. It helps the reason why this lone dude with talent only goes for goblins. Would you really care about goblins if they just killed people? I probably wouldn't. It's easy writing, but with art this good I'll accept it.
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Ashliet wrote:

The gang rapes of those girls and mental break was really unecesarry, just like in Berserk.
Yeah give us a sentimental memory scene then rape them, there was no point. It didn't add anything
It's not nearly so bad as how they make Broodmothers in Dragon Age
or even as bad as Berserk.

Edit - I stopped caring the more I read it. The manga itself got alot better.


I thought it was really necessary. It helps the reason why this lone dude with talent only goes for goblins. Would you really care about goblins if they just killed people? I probably wouldn't. It's easy writing, but with art this good I'll accept it.


Thats the only reason he cares is because he watched his village be destroyed. It's just like Berserk it's lazy writing.
Far be it from me to call Berserk's writing lazy but rape was just throw in st several parts for no reason.

Only the tortured elf girl was the only one that did anything for the characters even then it wasn't needed but acceptable.
Using rape as motivational tool is not good writing. However now I've seen very strong simmiliarities between this and 2 better series.
"It starts off like Is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon" and the Goblin procreate just like the Trolls in Berserk except Berserk's is worse.

Also I really doubt rape has any motivation for Goblin Slayer he even "Meh says it's normal for this to happen."
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Thats the only reason he cares is because he watched his village be destroyed. It's just like Berserk it's lazy writing.
Far be it from me to call Berserk's writing lazy but rape was just throw in st several parts for no reason.

Only the tortured elf girl was the only one that did anything for the characters even then it wasn't needed but acceptable.
Using rape as motivational tool is not good writing. However now I've seen very strong simmiliarities between this and 2 better series.
"It starts off like Is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon" and the Goblin procreate just like the Trolls in Berserk except Berserk's is worse.

Also I really doubt rape has any motivation for Goblin Slayer he even "Meh says it's normal for this to happen."


I think you are confused on the point of writing in rape. It isn't for the Goblin Slayer it is for us. Death can only motivate the reader so much to hate them without having excellent writing skills for developing the said character which will be killed. More people are likely to get physically and emotionally upset. Which I think did a great job, because in this series I have literally no remorse for the goblins. Which is good because there will be only one group of villains in this whole series. Plus normal doesn't mean there is no motivation for it, that logic is how he stays sane. It is normal for me to go to work even though I hate it. Doesn't mean I don't have some motivation.

Last comment you literally can't write about Goblins without talking about rape. You may not like it be they go hand in hand. I don't mind rape if it has a purpose (not service) and I think this manga does. Berserk is also showing that it does to, did you read the recent chapter? The author just likes drawing big black dicks.
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Thats the only reason he cares is because he watched his village be destroyed. It's just like Berserk it's lazy writing.
Far be it from me to call Berserk's writing lazy but rape was just throw in st several parts for no reason.

Only the tortured elf girl was the only one that did anything for the characters even then it wasn't needed but acceptable.
Using rape as motivational tool is not good writing. However now I've seen very strong simmiliarities between this and 2 better series.
"It starts off like Is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon" and the Goblin procreate just like the Trolls in Berserk except Berserk's is worse.

Also I really doubt rape has any motivation for Goblin Slayer he even "Meh says it's normal for this to happen."


I think you are confused on the point of writing in rape. It isn't for the Goblin Slayer it is for us. Death can only motivate the reader so much to hate them without having excellent writing skills for developing the said character which will be killed. More people are likely to get physically and emotionally upset. Which I think did a great job, because in this series I have literally no remorse for the goblins. Which is good because there will be only one group of villains in this whole series. Plus normal doesn't mean there is no motivation for it, that logic is how he stays sane. It is normal for me to go to work even though I hate it. Doesn't mean I don't have some motivation.

Last comment you literally can't write about Goblins without talking about rape. You may not like it be they go hand in hand. I don't mind rape if it has a purpose (not service) and I think this manga does. Berserk is also showing that it does to, did you read the recent chapter? The author just likes drawing big black dicks.


Berserk does not show that there is a reason at all the most obvious point to this is that little girl the black Dogs rape when they chase after Griffith. They rape her for no reason. To make us hate them? They were already hated.
I feel no diffrent about the goblins than if they had not raped anyone it didn't make me hate them more. Rape shouldn't used when it's easy or lazy and that when it was used in fact all I saw for this was lazy writing give us a "anime flashback" then rape the girl to make us really hate them. It didn't make me hate the goblins any more than I currently did. Goblins don't go hand in hand with rape I can't remember a game where goblins went around raping people now they ate people yes but never raped them. Whats the point or having them rape people throughout the chapters just to remind us we hate them? Lazy
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The funny thing is the rape which let's face it is fanservice really isn't needed. I think the series would be perfectly enjoyable without it and maybe you throw an implication in there once to let the reader know what goblins do to women and how they make new goblins but it feels more tacked on than something needed.

But as of Chapter 17 it seems like that aspect is less and less used than it was in the earlier chapters and really it's kinda added more of a light-hearted touch compared to how it started.
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the series full of shock value
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the series full of shock value

You mean Shock Value.
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I'm kinda ready for Goblin Slayer to be over. Saving the village and the big meta-reveal were great ending points, everything after has just kinda felt like keeping a money maker on life support.
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I for one enjoy the series. It may have much darker elements that are taken as fan service, but at least its not an OP MC out to raise his level. Its just an expert doing what he sees as his job in order to protect others.
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Posted 10/30/17 , edited 10/30/17
Honestly, the premise is more noted for its novelty than execution. While I appreciate someone like the titular Goblin Slayer, the series is mostly just boring. The greatest inconsistency is how repeatedly stated that the goblins are one of the lower class threats, yet have been killing adventurers for quite a bit, and capable of launching raids and other large scale attacks. Combined with the fact that larger subspecies, such as hob goblins exists, as well as their dangerous tenacity, I wonder one thing. Who the heck think that this is a low level porcelain adventurers' job? As a whole, this angle feels like it attempts to show that Goblin Slayer is selfless, but I just think it is stupid.

It is just boring, really. Though I have to give the series credit for cutting back down on the first few chapters of rape scenes. We get it, series, we get it.

At times, Berserk may be a bit gratuitous, but I would not say that the writing is terrible. Someone like Griffith and Guts elevated Berserk to a special place, one that takes simple ideas and works with them.
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I like my greenskins be sexless spore and their only desire for Waaagh! from warhammer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt_9fsA_XmA
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Honestly, the premise is more noted for its novelty than execution. While I appreciate someone like the titular Goblin Slayer, the series is mostly just boring. The greatest inconsistency is how repeatedly stated that the goblins are one of the lower class threats, yet have been killing adventurers for quite a bit, and capable of launching raids and other large scale attacks. Combined with the fact that larger subspecies, such as hob goblins exists, as well as their dangerous tenacity, I wonder one thing. Who the heck think that this is a low level porcelain adventurers' job? As a whole, this angle feels like it attempts to show that Goblin Slayer is selfless, but I just think it is stupid.

It is just boring, really. Though I have to give the series credit for cutting back down on the first few chapters of rape scenes. We get it, series, we get it.

At times, Berserk may be a bit gratuitous, but I would not say that the writing is terrible. Someone like Griffith and Guts elevated Berserk to a special place, one that takes simple ideas and works with them.


The attempt to render fantasy rpg game tropes into a realistic setting is interesting, but it does leave higher up adventurers and the guild house giving little to no value to the lives of young adventurers or towns in the process. Which could easily be an interesting story, but it clashes pretty heavily with the cutesy romcom antics and the camaraderie displayed in the guild hall. I like the story well enough, but the dissonance between how adventurers treat the world and how it's otherwise portrayed is jarring. The tropes the writer uses don't hold up to the scrutiny, but aren't really called out on it either.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Honestly, the premise is more noted for its novelty than execution. While I appreciate someone like the titular Goblin Slayer, the series is mostly just boring. The greatest inconsistency is how repeatedly stated that the goblins are one of the lower class threats, yet have been killing adventurers for quite a bit, and capable of launching raids and other large scale attacks. Combined with the fact that larger subspecies, such as hob goblins exists, as well as their dangerous tenacity, I wonder one thing. Who the heck think that this is a low level porcelain adventurers' job? As a whole, this angle feels like it attempts to show that Goblin Slayer is selfless, but I just think it is stupid.

It is just boring, really. Though I have to give the series credit for cutting back down on the first few chapters of rape scenes. We get it, series, we get it.

At times, Berserk may be a bit gratuitous, but I would not say that the writing is terrible. Someone like Griffith and Guts elevated Berserk to a special place, one that takes simple ideas and works with them.


The attempt to render fantasy rpg game tropes into a realistic setting is interesting, but it does leave higher up adventurers and the guild house giving little to no value to the lives of young adventurers or towns in the process. Which could easily be an interesting story, but it clashes pretty heavily with the cutesy romcom antics and the camaraderie displayed in the guild hall. I like the story well enough, but the dissonance between how adventurers treat the world and how it's otherwise portrayed is jarring. The tropes the writer uses don't hold up to the scrutiny, but aren't really called out on it either.


Potentially, but my other idea is of reputation. In a later chapter, it is shown that goblins tricked women into helping them, only to be raped later, but the persisting in-universe idea that goblins are "harmless" is utterly absurd. Combined with the apparent high rates of fatalities and atrocities, why would anyone take these missions in the first place? As a matter of fact, what worldly threats are more dangerous than something such as goblins, that they are continually overlooked?

My idea is that, by doing these things often, goblins should have and would have developed such notoriety among humans, enough that any low level adventurer would use common sense to not deal with these cretins off the bat. The frightening notion that there are bigger threats in the world, to which the hero Goblin Slayer refuses to help with unless he can kill goblins, clashes with the slice of life deal.

Seriously? How come this world isn't more....Berserk?

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Potentially, but my other idea is of reputation. In a later chapter, it is shown that goblins tricked women into helping them, only to be raped later, but the persisting in-universe idea that goblins are "harmless" is utterly absurd. Combined with the apparent high rates of fatalities and atrocities, why would anyone take these missions in the first place? As a matter of fact, what worldly threats are more dangerous than something such as goblins, that they are continually overlooked?

My idea is that, by doing these things often, goblins should have and would have developed such notoriety among humans, enough that any low level adventurer would use common sense to not deal with these cretins off the bat. The frightening notion that there are bigger threats in the world, to which the hero Goblin Slayer refuses to help with unless he can kill goblins, clashes with the slice of life deal.

Seriously? How come this world isn't more....Berserk?



The other threats the adventurers fight should at least be referenced at some point, very true. Clearly they're overlooking them for a reason, but that reason is only lightly touched on. If the lowbie mortality to goblins is as bad as the manga portrays, just what kind of meat-grinder is the adventurer guild running and just how bad is it compared to higher level quests? The ideas are interesting, but not fully developed or explored. I guess it's a fully realized world of murder-hobos where even the lives of their fellow humans only matters in-so-much as they can keep themselves alive.

All interesting ideas, and Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash explored it so much more thoroughly.
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