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Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Brexit (HBO)
Posted 6/20/16
What you guys think about the whole Brexit thing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8

Also I love this song.

Fuck you, European Union! Tally-ho, you fucking pricks! We are the United Kingdom. You can eat our spotted dicks!
That being said. We're not going to leave you. Turns out we need you! Nonetheless. Fuck you, European Union!
It feels good to tell you this! Poland is depressing and there's vampires in Romania. Spain is far too hot and where the fuck is Lithuania? To be fair, Slovenia's lovely. (We're only kidding, it sucks too!) But we must admit without these countries we'd be really screwed! Fuck the European Union. Even though we must admit. We would all be batshit crazy.
If we vote for leaving it! We would all be batshit crazy. If we vote for leaving it!
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It looks like the Brexit is becoming quite the popular topic of conversation on Crunchyroll. It's good of John Oliver to raise awareness of this issue for (mostly) American audiences. Although, it seems that his comments on the Brexit haven't been entirely well received. Already the comments section on YouTube is being overrun by supporters of the leave campaign, as the ratio of likes/dislikes slides further towards the negative. Not surprisingly really, John Oliver loves to choose sides in a debate. However, since he has few fans in the UK it looks like he might have overextended his reach here.

This whole issue is attracting a lot of passionate support from both sides, even from outside the UK. In this final week people from all over the world are starting to weigh-in on whether the UK should leave the EU or stay. A remarkable turn of events really; unless it’s a US Presidential race most of the world usually leaves well enough alone. Yet that hasn't happened this time, as though at some level (even instinctively) people watching the UK from abroad can sense that something momentous is in the making. What happens in the UK on Thursday could alter the course of Humanity’s future.

Much more is at stake than the UK merely leaving the EU or not. Primarily, this could lead to the dissolution of the EU itself, as other nations begin to hold referendums about whether they should leave the EU, triggering a wholesale collapse of the EU as an organisation. The dream of a united Europe has ended; the status quo that has pervaded Western Europe since the end of World War II might soon be a thing of the past. Because even if the UK chooses to remain in the EU the fractures within the EU as an institution have already been laid bare.
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Posted 6/20/16

Kintor wrote:
Although, it seems that his comments on the Brexit haven't been entirely well received. Already the comments section on YouTube is being overrun by supporters of the leave campaign, as the ratio of likes/dislikes slides further towards the negative. Not surprisingly really, John Oliver loves to choose sides in a debate. However, since he has few fans in the UK it looks like he might have overextended his reach here.


Youtube comments are not indicative of anything except how awful Youtube comments are. Using them as a barometer to gauge anything of substance is foolhardy at best. Using them to gauge an entire nation even more so. -.-



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Posted 6/20/16
Leave the EU! Let's get the whole Anglosphere into one giant union since we are already unofficially in one anyways! Fuck Europe noting but wars come from it.
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runec wrote:

Youtube comments are not indicative of anything except how awful Youtube comments are. Using them as a barometer to gauge anything of substance is foolhardy at best. Using them to gauge an entire nation even more so. -.-

I wasn't using the YouTube comments to gauge public sentiment in the UK. Rather, I simply observed how the usually agreeable comments for a John Oliver video are anything but harmonious this time. Which I think indicates support for the leave campaign that goes beyond the UK alone. When it looks like anyone with an axe to grind against the EU is now getting involved and wanting to see the UK leave the EU once and for all.


Rujikin wrote:

Leave the EU! Let's get the whole Anglosphere into one giant union since we are already unofficially in one anyways! Fuck Europe noting but wars come from it.

We had a union of the Anglosphere centuries ago when the Thirteen Colonies were still part of the British Empire.

I guess it all depends on whether you like your head of state in London or Washington. But I digress...
Posted 6/20/16
This thought may have spurred from self-centrism, and from something ridiculous, like a tingling sensation, or voice whispering "conspiracy", but I can't even begin to explain just how disappointing it would be if leaving the E.U. was an attempt to haul Norway's oil fund, in response to Scotland's vote for independence. We might not see it now, due to what the E.U. has provided, making us blind to the alternative, but if England leaves the E.U., it's going to be one of those times in which Norway would actually have reconsider joining, in their place, if we cared at all about stability in the region, a region that largely affects us. The U.S., not so much, we don't really give a shit about them. Yes, a lack of trade between the U.S. and European nations would effect the economy, naturally, but not nearly to the same extent as the union itself, and the diplomatic solutions it provide. I'm mentioning this to put in perspective to any Americans who might be reading, like, that's how bad it would be if England left the E.U., or worse, the E.U. capitulated. Of course, there's no evidence to say that the E.U. would capitulate, or that the capitulation of the E.U. would result in a third world war further down the line, but I see nothing wrong with taking measures against it, as European nations, England included, so amply have done since the second world war.
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Posted 6/20/16 , edited 6/20/16

Kintor wrote:

It looks like the Brexit is becoming quite the popular topic of conversation on Crunchyroll. It's good of John Oliver to raise awareness of this issue for (mostly) American audiences. Although, it seems that his comments on the Brexit haven't been entirely well received. Already the comments section on YouTube is being overrun by supporters of the leave campaign, as the ratio of likes/dislikes slides further towards the negative. Not surprisingly really, John Oliver loves to choose sides in a debate. However, since he has few fans in the UK it looks like he might have overextended his reach here.


That's because UK voters aren't voting for Trump. They have Brexit to make them feel selfish, nationalistic and xenophobic instead.

Still, Oliver has become the "official" Jon Stewart replacement to break down confusing news for the mainstream like the New South African Guy (does he have a name?) never did.
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Kintor wrote:
I wasn't using the YouTube comments to gauge public sentiment in the UK. Rather, I simply observed how the usually agreeable comments for a John Oliver video are anything but harmonious this time. Which I think indicates support for the leave campaign that goes beyond the UK alone. When it looks like anyone with an axe to grind against the EU is now getting involved and wanting to see the UK leave the EU once and for all.


So, you're doing exactly what I said you're doing? Trying to use Youtube comments to gauge anything of substance? >.>


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Posted 6/20/16
THAT'S Boris Johnson?! I've never seen his face and his name at the same time. I always thought this blonde guy in the videos my friends post on facebook is a comedian .

That song is great. If Britain stays it should be their new national anthem .

Everything I could say about the Brexit itself is something I don't want to post in this forum .
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Posted 6/20/16
Honestly it's giving Britain killer trade deals and they don't even have to switch to the euro. What's even the problem? Someone please explain it to me.
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THAT'S Boris Johnson?! I've never seen his face and his name at the same time. I always thought this blonde guy in the videos my friends post on facebook is a comedian .


"A man with the appearance and outlook of Bamm-Bamm from the old Flintstones cartoons."

(Actually, I was put more in mind of Simon Barsinister's henchman Cad from the old Underdog cartoons, but that character was actually pretty smart...)
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runec wrote:

So, you're doing exactly what I said you're doing? Trying to use Youtube comments to gauge anything of substance? >.>

Originally, you said I was trying to use the comments sections to gauge UK public opinion, I've already explained to you why that isn't the case. However, I simply observed that the negative reaction to John Oliver's video is an example that indicates that interest in the Brexit debate extends beyond the UK itself. Hardly a controversial observation when you think about it, even the existence of these Brexit thread on Crunchyroll further illustrates that the debate is drawing a lot of international attention in its final days before the vote.


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That's because UK voters aren't voting for Trump. They have Brexit to make them feel selfish, nationalistic and xenophobic instead.

Still, Oliver has become the "official" Jon Stewart replacement to break down confusing news for the mainstream like the New South African Guy (does he have a name?) never did.

For what it's worth I think that John Oliver has made a poor substitute for Jon Stewart. In comparison to the comedy that Jon Stewart spent years perfecting; John Oliver's delivery is more often than not simply obnoxious. The more you watch John Oliver’s 'editorials' the more you realise he has comparatively few tricks up his sleeve. John Oliver will usually resort to high-pitched yelling to get a point across once he's made a joke. While at the same time John Oliver's frequent use of analogies, instead of other illustrative devices, quickly becomes repetitive. Suffice to say, I don't think that John Oliver will ever have the same level of influence that Jon Steward did in his heyday.

As for why John Oliver's video hasn't been well received since being posted, I've already mentioned a good reason why. Currently John Oliver doesn't have much of an audience in the UK, even in comparison to the limited American audience John Oliver has on HBO. This makes John Oliver’s appeal to the British people condescending at best, when the piece is primarily about making fun of the British for his American audiences before attempting any belated appeal to the Brexit campaign. Anything positive John Oliver could've contributed to the Brexit campaign is lost in the delivery. Anyone on the fence watching this video is going to be repelled by John Oliver's performance and more close to the leave camp.
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Posted 6/20/16
So you're saying that while appearing to oppose this 'Brexit' thing, he is in actuality helping people to decide that the UK breaking out of the EU is a good thing.
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Kintor wrote:


Still, Oliver has become the "official" Jon Stewart replacement to break down confusing news for the mainstream like the New South African Guy (does he have a name?) never did.

For what it's worth I think that John Oliver has made a poor substitute for Jon Stewart. In comparison to the comedy that Jon Stewart spent years perfecting; John Oliver's delivery is more often than not simply obnoxious. The more you watch John Oliver’s 'editorials' the more you realise he has comparatively few tricks up his sleeve. John Oliver will usually resort to high-pitched yelling to get a point across once he's made a joke. While at the same time John Oliver's frequent use of analogies, instead of other illustrative devices, quickly becomes repetitive. Suffice to say, I don't think that John Oliver will ever have the same level of influence that Jon Steward did in his heyday.


Well, if Oliver gets anywhere up to the point that Dennis Miller had with his non-stop illustrative pop-reference analogies on the late-80's SNL ("Yeah, listening to Dan Quayle explain politics is like listening to Mr. Speedy-Delivery explain the Inside-Fly rule...."), he's got a shot at Stewart's ballpark.

Point is, it's not simply the egotistic cult-of-character comedy of Stephen Colbert, like Stewart, he seems to have some genuine interest in breaking down the absurdity of the message and getting it across without preaching. (Which, frankly Stewart was more and more failing to do near the end of his run, when it just started becoming all about gay marriage and vets' hospitals, and anally fact-checking anything a Fox News reporter said on it five years ago.)
I judge a Stewart throne-pretender by whether he can make any active perception-shaping editorial on the news to compete with Stewart's breakdown of North Korea's military or George W. Bush's speech style, and Oliver's Wall and Brexit pieces already qualify for that honor.
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Posted 6/20/16 , edited 6/22/16
John Oliver says to Remain, but himself came over to the U.S. rather than stay in the EU.



Hypocrite.
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