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Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Brexit (HBO)
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This is the stupidest argument I've heard on this website in quite a while.


You should totally go read the PSO one.
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runec wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:
This is the stupidest argument I've heard on this website in quite a while.


You should totally go read the PSO one.


PSO one?
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runec wrote:

You should totally go read the PSO one.

So then runec, since you haven't put forward any new arguments, I can assume that you've dropped the point? For the best, seeing as how you never liked the fact that John Oliver's video has been received negatively.
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This one:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-934335/phantasy-star-online-2-the-animation-discussion

Wherein he keeps it going for 30+ pages until a mod begs him to stop. -.-


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runec wrote:



This one:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-934335/phantasy-star-online-2-the-animation-discussion

Wherein he keeps it going for 30+ pages until a mod begs him to stop. -.-




...Was he watching the same show asnI was?
Posted 6/22/16

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runec wrote:



This one:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-934335/phantasy-star-online-2-the-animation-discussion

Wherein he keeps it going for 30+ pages until a mod begs him to stop. -.-




...Was he watching the same show asnI was?


So what happen in the show? Holy fuck that a long ass thread.
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octorockandroll wrote:


runec wrote:



This one:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-934335/phantasy-star-online-2-the-animation-discussion

Wherein he keeps it going for 30+ pages until a mod begs him to stop. -.-




...Was he watching the same show asnI was?


So what happen in the show? Holy fuck that a long ass thread.


I watched like 4 episodes of it and honestly could not tell you
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Apologies to Kintor, but, as a survivor of the PSO2 thread, I feel this is appropriate:



That being said, in response to the original question, I have been following the progress of the Brexit campaigns in The Economist, and everything I have read about it suggests that the entire Leave campaign is based upon either bad data or no data at all. Wishful thinking alone should not decide the destiny of a major economy. ... Thus, I side with Remain (despite living in the U.S.).
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Apologies to Kintor, but, as a survivor of the PSO2 thread, I feel this is appropriate:






I might just end up saving that. Could be useful somewhere down the line.
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Apologies to Kintor, but, as a survivor of the PSO2 thread, I feel this is appropriate:


Nice work rcsatcrunchyroll, I'm going to save a copy of that image to my hard drive.

I like how you've taken the time to match the core of my avatar (the gold death mask) with the white background. A lot of people wouldn't go to that trouble; they'd just paste the whole square into the box, leaving an ugly mess. But you've done well, a little bit of pixellation with the Mega Drive colour palette and it'd match perfectly with Phantasy Star.


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That being said, in response to the original question, I have been following the progress of the Brexit campaigns in The Economist, and everything I have read about it suggests that the entire Leave campaign is based upon either bad data or no data at all. Wishful thinking alone should not decide the destiny of a major economy. ... Thus, I side with Remain (despite living in the U.S.).

The question of economics in regards to the Brexit campaign is a lot more complicated than it can appear even at this last stage. This is because it's precisely unknowable just what will happen if the UK decides to leave the EU this week. Nobody was ever supposed to leave the EU, a clause in the charter exists that allows member nations to leave but there's no framework in place to establish how it's all going to play out. This lack of information makes a lot of people in the financial sector nervous, they crave certainty above all else, anything event that threatens the current status quo is viewed through apocalyptic lenses.

And who can blame the financiers for being fearful? Ever since the Global Financial Crisis in 2007-2008 things have been going from bad to worse. There hasn’t been a reprieve in the years that followed, as the world stumbled from one narrowly averted disaster to the next, with the EU in particular being severely weakened with each blow to its financial system. There is the sense that the UK leaving the EU really could be the beginning of the end, the final crisis that plunges the world into a new great depression or worse. It’s that fear which is driving some people mad, as it festers in the back of their mind.

Yet in just a few hour time the British people will begin to decide just that, to potentially leave the EU and set in motion all the ruin that some fear will follow. Except there isn’t much fear being generated in the Brexit campaign. All these idle threats and doomsday proclamations of a decimated global economy just don’t hold any weight for many British voters. People are so fed-up with the status quo that they just might pull the trigger and vote leave anyway, gambling that a future without the EU has to better then today, even if that means plunging the whole world into darkness.
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The results are unpredictable, due to a lack of concrete precedent (because Greenland, which did leave the EU, is a radically different economy), but a number of EU officials have made it clear that they will not be favorable to a separate UK.


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But you've done well, a little bit of pixellation with the Mega Drive colour palette and it'd match perfectly with Phantasy Star.


I do have a pixelate tool, now that I think about it.

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octorockandroll wrote:
...Was he watching the same show asnI was?


Nobody knows~



rcsatcrunchyroll wrote:
That being said, in response to the original question, I have been following the progress of the Brexit campaigns in The Economist, and everything I have read about it suggests that the entire Leave campaign is based upon either bad data or no data at all. Wishful thinking alone should not decide the destiny of a major economy.


Yeah, I don't get it either. Every economic assessment I've seen says its a terrible idea and when you peel off that bullshit you're essentially just left with the usual far right "Immigrants stealin' our jerbs and welfare" rhetoric.

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Yeah, I don't get it either. Every economic assessment I've seen says its a terrible idea and when you peel off that bullshit you're essentially just left with the usual far right "Immigrants stealin' our jerbs and welfare" rhetoric.


They are correct about one thing, which is that the U.K. should take in less immigrants. I'm not saying that they have to close the border shut (and I'm definitely not saying that immigrants now living in the U.K. should be sent back), but they need to reconsider lowering their quota. Basically, take in less immigrants for a while. All countries bound by NATO have quotas, mine included, and that quota is in place so as to not stretch the nation's budget too thin. In the unforeseeable event of a recession, depending on how severe the recession hits the country in question, they might have to lower their quota. But, as far as I know, that was not done in the U.K.'s case after the recession in 2008. Instead, they responded by lowering the taxes, which is like what-the-actual-fuck Cameron. Their quota should've been lowered with the riots in 2011, or it at the very least should've served as a warning to increase the tax rates, when they were at the brink of anarchy, but no, the quota wasn't lowered, and the tax rates were decreased yet again--- Cameron. And then came, as the tabloids so over-dramatically put it, the "immigration flood omgz we're doomed!"

"Stealing our jobs and welfare" is sort of incorrect of them to say, at least in the broader sense, because it doesn't really take on the real issue; they don't really lose any job opportunities, or their economical support. They have that, so they're really just being stupid cunts reiterating shit they know nothing about. But, the nation's budget is stretched thin, which means that tax rates need to be increased in order to rebuild and sustain said budget. Then, the right-wing might say "Oh, but then it was a good idea that we lowered the tax rates by so much, because then we wouldn't have been able to increase it now." No, not really, because by lowering the taxes-- until now-- they increased the differences in wealth in society, and class warfare pursued. So, that TOO is a factor, at least in regards to the 2011 riots, and well, pretty much any parliament falling into anarchy.

Anarchy, by the way, is pretty much the only thing a parliament has to fear. Republics are the ones who have to fear falling into dictatorship.

I don't know why I'm telling you all this, it's not like I'm arguing against you. Politics bore me. I wish I was a dog (that way I could lick my own balls).
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Posted 6/22/16 , edited 6/22/16

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They have that, so they're really just being stupid cunts reiterating shit they know nothing about

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Sounds about right. But if they took your approach they'd actually have to, you know, govern and accept responsibility for their decisions. Easier to just get up there and stoke the fires of xenophobia and nationalism for political gain. If there's one running theme with far right politics regardless of nation its that everything is always someone else's fault. Keep people forever distracted by focusing on the "other" so they don't look to closely at what's actually going on.



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I don't know why I'm telling you all this, it's not like I'm arguing against you. Politics bore me. I wish I was a dog (that way I could lick my own balls).


Profound words.
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Sounds about right. But if they took your approach they'd actually have to, you know, govern and accept responsibility for their decisions. Easier to just get up there and stoke the fires of xenophobia and nationalism for political gain. If there's one running theme with far right politics regardless of nation its that everything is always someone else's fault. Keep people forever distracted by focusing on the "other" so they don't look to closely at what's actually going on.

It's a mistake on your part to assume that the Brexit debate is a simple left/right divide, this political campaign is unlike any other since the end of World War II. Across both major parties there are many MPs openly defying their leaders and supporting the leave camp. This is why any effort on the part of remain supporters to reduce the Brexit debate to a conversation about bigotry is a mistake, as this dismissive attitude is actually a failure to acknowledge the ground swell of leave support that crosses the political divide. Should remain lose tomorrow, as the UK leaves the EU, it will in no small part because of remain's failure to take its opponents seriously.
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