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Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Brexit (HBO)
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I wonder if this is an instance of the masses finally catching up to the globalization thing. Globalization maybe isn't reversible, but the terms of it can be subject to change. People have known globalization was a thing, but perhaps now they're appreciating the breadth of its impact and the need to do something about it. Late of course, with respect to the elites, but that's how it usually goes.

If that analysis has merit, then 1) the UK people are probably ahead of the US people, and 2) Brexit vote might not be the end of things, regardless of the outcome. Well, those are my speculations.

Also, I'm pretty sure Europe won't go back to the war days (addressing something a few pages earlier). By now people are mostly on the same page that it's best to just get the money - ruling over lands and people is too much of a hassle and a liability.
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Kintor wrote:
It's a mistake on your part to assume that the Brexit debate is a simple left/right divide, this political campaign is unlike any other since the end of World War II. Across both major parties there are many MPs openly defying their leaders and supporting the leave camp. This is why any effort on the part of remain supporters to reduce the Brexit debate to a conversation about bigotry is a mistake, as this dismissive attitude is actually a failure to acknowledge the ground swell of leave support that crosses the political divide. Should remain lose tomorrow, as the UK leaves the EU, it will in no small part because of remain's failure to take its opponents seriously.


I made no such assumption and I see you're still just waving your opinion about as fact. But fine, since you brought it up.

The Remain side is not solely made up of left wing MPs but the Leave side is almost exclusively right wing MPs The only party with "many" MPs in the leave camp is the conservative party who make up the vast majority of the Leave side in the House of Commons There are a bare handful of labour mps in the leave camp ( 10 out of 228 ). Aside from that only the conservative DUPs are on the Remain side with all 8 of their mps.

As it stands, 479 MPs are in the Remain camp. 158 are in the Leave camp.

Only 6.3% of the MPs in the Leave camp are left wing.

So no, this is not crossing the political divide in any sort of "ground swell". This is the left and right vs the further right. As for reducing this to a conversation about bigotry. You can thank UKIP for that. -.-

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runec wrote:

I made no such assumption and I see you're still just waving your opinion about as fact. But fine, since you brought it up.

The Remain side is not solely made up of left wing MPs but the Leave side is almost exclusively right wing MPs The only party with "many" MPs in the leave camp is the conservative party who make up the vast majority of the Leave side in the House of Commons There are a bare handful of labour mps in the leave camp ( 10 out of 228 ). Aside from that only the conservative DUPs are on the Remain side with all 8 of their mps.

As it stands, 479 MPs are in the Remain camp. 158 are in the Leave camp.

Only 6.3% of the MPs in the Leave camp are left wing.

So no, this is not crossing the political divide in any sort of "ground swell". This is the left and right vs the further right. As for reducing this to a conversation about bigotry. You can thank UKIP for that. -.-

You're making the same mistake now, believing this is an enemy you've fought before. The world is no stranger to bigotry and the World Wide Web is no exception. I'm sure by now you must feel as if you've seen it all before. However, I must again ask that you acknowledge that the old rules don't apply. As an organisation the EU is almost universally despised in Britain, that those on the left and right of the political spectrum have each found their reasons to hate the EU. It's this common hatred with has galvanised the leave camp, with people from all walks of life seeking to ensure that the UK does leave the EU immediately.
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Kintor wrote:
You're making the same mistake now, believing this is an enemy you've fought before. The world is no stranger to bigotry and the World Wide Web is no exception. I'm sure by now you must feel as if you've seen it all before. However, I must again ask that you acknowledge that the old rules don't apply. As an organisation the EU is almost universally despised in Britain, that those on the left and right of the political spectrum have each found their reasons to hate the EU. It's this common hatred with has galvanised the leave camp, with people from all walks of life seeking to ensure that the UK does leave the EU immediately.


Ok, seriously. Are you just incapable of discussing anything without making up the counterarguments in your head then assigning them to people you're talking too? You're quite welcome to argue with your own assumptions as much as you like. There's no need to bring me or anyone else into it. You could do this by yourself. Quietly.
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runec wrote:

Ok, seriously. Are you just incapable of discussing anything without making up the counterarguments in your head then assigning them to people you're talking too? You're quite welcome to argue with your own assumptions as much as you like. There's no need to bring me or anyone else into it. You could do this by yourself. Quietly.

If you don't want to talk then you're free to leave this thread at any time, just as how you conceded that John Oliver's video has been negatively received. Regardless, if want to continue having a discussion about the Brexit Debate you're must see beyond the left/right divide. As I said before, that kind of party line politics is entirely redundant now; people from the left and people from the right are both joining the leave camp. Even as all these people hate the EU for different reasons they've found common purpose in voting for the UK to leave the EU. It’s a new era for British politics, the old tricks don’t work anymore.
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Posted 6/23/16 , edited 6/23/16
Well, the UK has a pretty bad economy so meh I could see the salt. Also, the Netherlands and Germany are still wanting to disband the EU which would be good for them since they both have strong economies trying to support Spain and Greece.

Also, it wouldn't be particularly destabilizing to the US so I'm not sure why we're freaking out about it. The people a Brexit hurts the most is actually the British themselves lol

I'm also not sure why they want to leave though on the other hand, I mean the Dutch are in charge of the Council atm and if there's anything the Dutch are good at it's making sure money is made.
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