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1984 and Brave New World were great! But I love dystopian adult fiction (not to be confused by all this psudo-dystopian teen crap coming out lately).

I think Ayn Rand is horrible in schools, and I also would detest anything like Twilight making it into required reading. Just ugh.

The jokingly it'd-never-happen-lol side of this question though? 50 Shades! LOL


Oh god, the idea of Ayn Rand being taught in ANY english course makes me physically ill. Putting aside my seething antipathy for objectivism for a moment she just is not a good writer. Like there is a definite argument you can make about Orwell's works and how they might have better served their purpose as essays but they did not include a 90 fucking page speech. I think it's borderline irresponsible to teach it. That's like mechanically bad literature, if it's going to be used in class it should be only as a demonstration of how NOT to write a novel.
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I don't know I never minded any of the required reading back in my grade school and high school days. Maybe the Shakespeare stuff, iambic pentameter kinda of annoyed me.


the thing with Shakespeare I feel is that English teachers should not assign his works to be read. I have always found them insufferable reading for one specific reason. They're not literature. They're plays, performance art. You're meant to watch them being performed and as a result you're missing a lot just by reading the base text. I've always found it more useful to use the script as more of a reference point.

the trouble is that no performance of a given play is going to interpret the play and perform in an identical fashion. As a result the work does get colored a bit. So I suppose there is some merit to reading the material first to form your own impression of it before turning to someone else's, but it does make the reading experience itself far less enjoyable.
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Being Canadian I was spared much of the required reading of American classics.

We got 1984, Animal Farm, Lord of the Flies, Anne Frank, The Crucible and a whoooooole lotta Shakespeare. Tons of Shakespeare. Just, so much Shakespeare.



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They're not literature. They're plays, performance art. You're meant to watch them being performed and as a result you're missing a lot just by reading the base text. I've always found it more useful to use the script as more of a reference point.


Which is why we had to read them out in class. Scene by scene. -.-



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I'm gonna say the Fountainhead.

Catcher in the Rye is second.

I'm a non fiction fan anyway.

I don't even know what the whole point of the Fountainhead was, too boring.



It's like if they deliberately chose the most boring books to get students to read, and focus on the story and not the writing. Like goddamn, it's English class, teach grammar.They should read good writers and study their writing. Watch, go ask a high school English class grammar rules. They're not gonna even know what a semi colon is, tonality, sentence structures, or even basic rules.

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I don't even know what the whole point of the Fountainhead was, too boring.


I assumed it was like that MASH episode where Hawkeye wants to build his "monument" to the futility of war out of a surplus supply of tongue depressors, and then blows it up when Klinger wants to spin it into an inspirational pro-Army story for the news?

(Yeah, I hate to bring up an episode from the Pretentious phase of the series, but serves Rand right.)


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This steaming pile of crap. I read it in 6th grade and it is easily the book I hate the most.


You're lucky you didn't grow up in Worcester MA, where Cormier was the Local Author Made Good, but at least you had to read The Chocolate War, which was better.



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They're not literature. They're plays, performance art. You're meant to watch them being performed and as a result you're missing a lot just by reading the base text. I've always found it more useful to use the script as more of a reference point.


Which is why we had to read them out in class. Scene by scene. -.-


Luckily, we always got to watch the Franco Zeffirelli versions on tape afterwards.
Not Leo DiCaprio. Not Kenneth Branagh. THE Zefferelli classics.
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Which is why we had to read them out in class. Scene by scene. -.-





I was thinking along the lines of something more professional.
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Luckily, we always got to watch the Franco Zeffirelli versions on tape afterwards.
Not Leo DiCaprio. Not Kenneth Branagh. THE Zefferelli classics.


Yeah, thats the version we got to watch too. Can they even show that version these days? I can envision some parents going on a bender over the nudie bits in it. Our teacher was basically "Yes, there's a nude scene. But its not like its anything you haven't already seen elsewhere so behave yourselves." and we did.

I also remember our science teacher showing us some British movie that was just a complete dystopian horror involving kids. Not for any particular reason either. There was just a meeting or something and the class had been nixed. Just to traumatize us I guess ;p


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The Great Gatsby and Jane Eyre. Hated those. Had no trouble with the other books at the time.


Where have you been?


I've been around. Just not on CR lol
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Which is why we had to read them out in class. Scene by scene. -.-





Yeah cause I totally wanted to sit through eight graders with a fourth grader's level of vocabulary and grammar reading fucking Shakespeare out loud. Say what you will about the American education system it at least doesn't allow illiterate idiots to pass the fourth grade simply because they can add 2 and 2 and get four like we Canadians can.

That is what is wrong with us Canadians, we value mathematical ability over speaking, reading, and comprehending the damn language of the country whose's monarch we still have on our currency.
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The Great Gatsby, it's not nearly as deep as my teacher was trying to make it seem lmfao.
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Yeah cause I totally wanted to sit through eight graders with a fourth grader's level of vocabulary and grammar reading fucking Shakespeare out loud. Say what you will about the American education system it at least doesn't allow illiterate idiots to pass the fourth grade simply because they can add 2 and 2 and get four like we Canadians can.

That is what is wrong with us Canadians, we value mathematical ability over speaking, reading, and comprehending the damn language of the country whose's monarch we still have on our currency.


Rough school life? ;p

And no, the American system is even worse~
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Rough school life? ;p

And no, the American system is even worse~


Aside from the near daily fist fights and brawls I got into my academic grade school life and high school life was tolerable. But the fist fights and brawls were caused by something else entirely separate from the academic achievements of my peers.

And if you really believe the horseshit that the American education system is worse riddle me this..Why is it every Canadian I meet is capable of mental mathematics that'd put a theoretical physicist to shame yet can't use the English language in the same proficiency that the Americans we Canadians mock can?
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And if you really believe the horseshit that the American education system is worse riddle me this..Why is it every Canadian I meet is capable of mental mathematics that'd put a theoretical physicist to shame yet can't use the English language in the same proficiency that the Americans we Canadians mock can?


Perhaps you live somewhere surrounded by fools? I don't know. ;p



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runec wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:
And if you really believe the horseshit that the American education system is worse riddle me this..Why is it every Canadian I meet is capable of mental mathematics that'd put a theoretical physicist to shame yet can't use the English language in the same proficiency that the Americans we Canadians mock can?


Perhaps you live somewhere surrounded by fools? I don't know. ;p





Really mate you're going to defend the Canadian education system? It's a laughing stock, we've fallen behind the Europeans and the Asians in terms of raw academic performance. For fucks sake we're behind India and goddamn Singapore. Places were in some parts of the country running water and electricity are considered luxuries.
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