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To die and live again- Immortality?
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wat if im me but not me? but i look like me and i say im me but im not me!! who am i!!
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i think.. thats someone new.. cuz even if my memory is transfered, my personlity and attitude arent. u may say that ur personality and attitude are formed from ur experiences but i believe in nature and nurture, so ur exp. is onli the nurture part.. u cant possibly transfer ur nature into a new mind/body so i think ur a new person, reincarnated as a full grown person. and wat about ur soul?? if u've died then its gone right? u'd be a living being without a soul... since we havent figured out how to transfer that yet...
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Komicking wrote:

Say in the near future, there is a technology where when people die, they can clone their human body and then transfer their memory into this new body...would this be immortality?...or would this be something else. When you are cloned and your memory is inputed into this new body, will you still be you or will this new body be someone else who just look like you, have the same genetic material as you, same thoughts as you, and same memory as you? Would your old self die with you the day you die and this new being is just something new created through science?

Would you want to be cloned and technically live for ever knowing that you may have in actuality died a long time ago and what you are now is just an imitation?

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Before you state your opinion...picture this: You are driving in a car when suddenly you crashed into another one...the next thing you know is that you are alive and well and six months have passed...it turned out that you have died from the crash and that your body is new with memories from your old self...it seem as if you were asleep this whole entire time and that you just woke up...

Is this immortality or wrong?


The logic there doesn't fit since they would be creatingthe present you and you always age therefore you'll still have a limit on the whole cloning ordeal.
But morally if you can put all your memories into a newborn how would the next you feel? Your memories arent yours. Your past didnt happen to the current you. You are the creation of another in a atempt for him to live longer which didn't work since they still died in the end.

Immortality, I think is where you are able to stop aging completly or phisicaly enhanced to the point of superman.
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Personally i think immortality isnt as glamourous as people make it out to think it be, think about all the sad memories and war's you would have to live though never dieing i would hate to live forever eventually dying is basically the only time you'lll get peace. This world will always be in conflict, so why would you want to live through it all?.
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I dunno why so much people might wanna be immortal. i mean livnig long is great but u hafta go thorugh a lot more pain...dontcha??
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only jesus can do that
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Safuranmodoki wrote:

i think.. thats someone new.. cuz even if my memory is transfered, my personlity and attitude arent. u may say that ur personality and attitude are formed from ur experiences but i believe in nature and nurture, so ur exp. is onli the nurture part.. u cant possibly transfer ur nature into a new mind/body so i think ur a new person, reincarnated as a full grown person. and wat about ur soul?? if u've died then its gone right? u'd be a living being without a soul... since we havent figured out how to transfer that yet...


Soul is something made up by the mind...it does not scientifically exist only religiously...
Now, about the "personality"...technically, your personality would stay the same for this new body has the same memory as the old one. This means that it too, remembers all the experiences the old one had and since it is the same body genetically, it will receive these memories and experiences the same way as the old body...and express them the same way as well creating the same personality as the old...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomechanoid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

this is something kinda similiar but you transfer your mind into a computer instead of a clone. I think computers are easier to maintain, and you could back up the memory like people do with normal computers
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Komicking wrote:


Safuranmodoki wrote:

i think.. thats someone new.. cuz even if my memory is transfered, my personlity and attitude arent. u may say that ur personality and attitude are formed from ur experiences but i believe in nature and nurture, so ur exp. is onli the nurture part.. u cant possibly transfer ur nature into a new mind/body so i think ur a new person, reincarnated as a full grown person. and wat about ur soul?? if u've died then its gone right? u'd be a living being without a soul... since we havent figured out how to transfer that yet...


Soul is something made up by the mind...it does not scientifically exist only religiously...
Now, about the "personality"...technically, your personality would stay the same for this new body has the same memory as the old one. This means that it too, remembers all the experiences the old one had and since it is the same body genetically, it will receive these memories and experiences the same way as the old body...and express them the same way as well creating the same personality as the old...


maybe ur right, but wat if u didnt die and u transfered ur memory onto another vessel?? who's the real 'u', now?? they cant both be you, u created another person, onli instead of a clean slate, that other person alredi has life experience
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Komicking wrote:

Say in the near future, there is a technology where when people die, they can clone their human body and then transfer their memory into this new body...would this be immortality?...or would this be something else. When you are cloned and your memory is inputed into this new body, will you still be you or will this new body be someone else who just look like you, have the same genetic material as you, same thoughts as you, and same memory as you? Would your old self die with you the day you die and this new being is just something new created through science?

Would you want to be cloned and technically live for ever knowing that you may have in actuality died a long time ago and what you are now is just an imitation?

Edit:
Before you state your opinion...picture this: You are driving in a car when suddenly you crashed into another one...the next thing you know is that you are alive and well and six months have passed...it turned out that you have died from the crash and that your body is new with memories from your old self...it seem as if you were asleep this whole entire time and that you just woke up...

Is this immortality or wrong?


I read some books that are partially based on this premise. People would have memory cells in their heads, and if they died a new body would be made for them with all their memories intact. They were both really good books, and would tell anyone who likes science fiction to pick them up (Pandora’s Star and Judas Unchained).

To answer your question though, yes.
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The world is overpopulated enough even with wars, disease, and famine. To give immortality to people would only doom humanity faster. There is a limit on how much technology can improve agricultural produce, how much pollution the earth can take, and how much land we can live on.
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Hmmm..this whole idea sounds a little farfetched.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not a religious finatic who
believes playing God is wrong blah blah, but i think
that when you die, your time was up..no matter how
unfair it seemed..
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i am leaving this message to my clones.

hopefully, my clones can answer this difficult question!



Dearest clone of me,

how does it feel to be alive even though your original is dead?

do you wish that you are never created?

Best Regards,
Your original self
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It isn't immortality. In theory, the entity that is us will live on. But what happens what that body dies again! :p

I don't think it's wrong. I just think there are better uses for our money. Eg. Creating more episodes of our favourite anime series.
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on a purely ethic point of view, like in the movie "island" or something (i didnt watch it but i heard about it) i wouldnt want to "mass produce" clones and make them grows and live when their only purpose is to be killed.

We are not animals. We cant raise humans like we raise cows. I'm totally against it.
Its technically murder when you transfer the old you into a new one.
You'll be murdered over and over, multiples time. I bet the transfers wouldnt be 100% exact anyway and you'll end up mad.
No thanks.

On a spiritual point of view, in a vampiric like kind of immortality, I think anyone that see all their loved one die one after the other is bound to lose sanity. Humans are weaks like that. They define themself with the relations they have with others. Seeing the balise of what they base the vision they have of themself change all the time (time dont matter if you are immortal... 100 years is the same as 10 years) those people will not be able to define themself since they will develop emotive instability, will refuse to bounds with others in expectation of the lost to come and will there turn insane.

Overall, immortality is a BAAAAAAD idea!
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