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Not surprised that it had so many dislikes. That said, it was a relatively weak video that didn't really make me think much of anything.

I think most of the issues comes from the expectation of that community. Certain groups within that sphere bash people who don't acknowledge their gender from the get go. If people think you look like a guy, then they will refer to you as a he, that's how it is. Also the anti-cis movements, and constantly framing themselves as victims to get ahead. Look at Kaitlyn Jenner, they manipulated that for their own personal media coverage, and not for the good of the trans people.

Just my long winded two-cents, but until both sides come to the table respectfully, things won't move forward.
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If I identified as a helicopter, and people started calling me an idiot, does that mean they are closed minded and hateful? Honestly curious lol.


No, because a helicopter is not an abstract social construct like human gender.


It's just a social construct, so what's the point in identifying as anything? If a male identifies as a female, isn't he just playing into the social construct game?


...huh?

I don't think you understand what I'm getting at here. I would write a long 5 paragraph post explaining the psychological nuances of human gender but it has been brought to my attention lately that other forumers don't particularly care for those, so I'm just gonna suggest you go look it up.
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If I identified as a helicopter, and people started calling me an idiot, does that mean they are closed minded and hateful? Honestly curious lol.




See, a lot of people roll their eyes to people like them because they think trans people just 'choose a different gender on a whim' or something like that. That is not how it is. But very many people who hate them/look down upon them think they are just freaks or weirdos or perverts or something.


People with gender identity issues have factors within them that make them the way they are. I can't speak for all gender identity issues, but for people who are trans male or trans female, they have biological factors that make them the way they are. From things like biochemistry and brain chemistry to brain composition. These things then make people have certain psyches. Thus, someone with a male body might have a female psyche, or vice versa.


People need to be educated about these things. This, in turn, can lead many to be more understanding and be compassionate. Though, of course, many are just simply bigots and will disregard whatever education they may acquire, choosing to hold onto the bigoted feelings rather than be willing to soften their hearts to these kinds of people.



Kind of relevant, they have found that brain structures are different between gay males and heterosexual males, and that brain structures are different between lesbians and heterosexual women. Scientists have found that sexuality is more about 'nature' than 'nurture' (i.e., more about biological factors than upbringing and societal standards).
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KurdishSenpai wrote:

If I identified as a helicopter, and people started calling me an idiot, does that mean they are closed minded and hateful? Honestly curious lol.


Kind of relevant, they have found that brain structures are different between gay males and heterosexual males, and that brain structures are different between lesbians and heterosexual women. Scientists have found that sexuality is more about 'nature' than 'nurture' (i.e., more about biological factors than upbringing and societal standards).


So then gender is not a social construct like the other user was suggesting, you're saying that it's more biological than social, or is it a mix? Btw I don't mean to come off as closed minded, I have nothing against trans people, I love everyone, I just wanna understand this.
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KurdishSenpai wrote:


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KurdishSenpai wrote:

If I identified as a helicopter, and people started calling me an idiot, does that mean they are closed minded and hateful? Honestly curious lol.


Kind of relevant, they have found that brain structures are different between gay males and heterosexual males, and that brain structures are different between lesbians and heterosexual women. Scientists have found that sexuality is more about 'nature' than 'nurture' (i.e., more about biological factors than upbringing and societal standards).


So then gender is not a social construct like the other user was suggesting, you're saying that it's more biological than social, or is it a mix? Btw I don't mean to come off as closed minded, I have nothing against trans people, I love everyone, I just wanna understand this.


No, our understanding of gender is still based on societal premise but how we fit into that premise and the roles we rather play are reflected in our biology.

At least that's the best that I understood it.
Posted 6/22/16
I am not "proud" of my sexuality or gender, I am proud of my character, how I act, what I do, what I've accomplished, why I do what I do, and what I believe in. Less and less people seem to actually care about these kinds of things as time goes on, and it's very sad.

For some reason, young people are being told to be proud and love themselves unconditionally. This makes absolutely no sense, because it does not promote growth or good qualities to have in life. With everyone "loving" each other so much with nearly no consideration for factors of character other than how "kind" they are, there's no incentive to try and be a respectable person. Being a whiny, self-obsessed and self-"loathing", immature person will bring just as much (if not more) attention and kindness from others as being an honourable, mature person that tries to conduct themselves well.


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People with gender identity issues have factors within them that make them the way they are. I can't speak for all gender identity issues, but for people who are trans male or trans female, they have biological factors that make them the way they are. From things like biochemistry and brain chemistry to brain composition. These things then make people have certain psyches. Thus, someone with a male body might have a female psyche, or vice versa.


This is true, but what supporters refuse to acknowledge is the fact that people with gender issues tend to latch onto their issues as if that is all they are. When they go "this is me" when talking about their sexuality/gender issues, it makes them seem shallow. My personal obscurity on these things does not reflect myself as a person, and it shouldn't. Everyone is so quick to say how we should be accepting and that being gay shouldn't "matter", but when gays/trans/whatever constantly talk about how they're gay/trans/whatever and how everyone should show support and whatnot, they've completely gone against what they say, because their sexuality/gender issues have completely taken them over as a person. If their sexuality/whatever shouldn't be a factor in why someone should hate them, then it shouldn't be a reason for people to like them, either, and this is what many people--either knowingly or unknowingly--do; they act as if they should be "supported" because they're gay.

I will never show someone support just because they're gay or whatever, nor will I baby them. I will show my support to someone who I believe is a good person, who has integrity, wit, skill in their craft, achievements + goals, reasoned beliefs that they stand behind, and a strong sense of dignity that drives them to consistently be genuinely great people.

What I really don't understand is why it's deemed socially fine to talk about these kinds of personal issues with everyone, as if it's anyone else's business. It really isn't. Apparently, my boss at work is a lesbian, and I didn't know this for the past year of my employment. It made no change in how much I respect her or anything. If anything, it might have pleasantly surprised me, because when I think of a gay person at this point, I picture a loud, obnoxious young person with a strange, dyed hairdo. I used to just think of maybe a guy that acted a little feminine, like my uncle (whose wedding I'm going to in a month), but now, the whole LGBT movement thing has turned me closer towards "bigoted" if anything, even though I'm "included" in the whole LGBT garbage.

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I think you should take a step back and ask yourself why this whole "pride in gender and orientation" thing exists. The whole pride movements and parades and events are not shallow bouts of narcissism, they are filling a need. It stems from people being culturally, and sometimes legally, repressed. Made to feel as though they are some kind of disgusting abomination. The pride stuff is a way for the people in question to not only show empathy and support for one another, but also to rebel against those that would put them down. And really, one of the best ways to rebel against people trying to make something out to be reprehensible and wrong is to do that thing publicly and loudly. There's a quote by Jim Sterling that sums this whole thing up quite well: "If you're sick of the parades and the showing off, you might want to direct your irritation toward the root cause of it, not the symptom."
Posted 6/22/16

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I think you should take a step back and ask yourself why this whole "pride in gender and orientation" thing exists. The whole pride movements and parades and events are not shallow bouts of narcissism, they are filling a need. It stems from people being culturally, and sometimes legally, repressed. Made to feel as though they are some kind of disgusting abomination. The pride stuff is a way for the people in question to not only show empathy and support for one another, but also to rebel against those that would put them down. And really, one of the best ways to rebel against people trying to make something out to be reprehensible and wrong is to do that thing publicly and loudly. There's a quote by Jim Sterling that sums this whole thing up quite well: "If you're sick of the parades and the showing off, you might want to direct your irritation toward the root cause of it, not the symptom."


I see what you're trying to say, but why have I felt none of this supposed cultural and legal repression? And why do I not feel like a disgusting abomination like others do?

In terms of legal issues, what else is there other than gay marriage, which is now legal in the entire country, right? You may have a point here, but I don't see it yet, because I don't really know the issues that there are.
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KurdishSenpai wrote:


Dubnoman wrote:


KurdishSenpai wrote:

If I identified as a helicopter, and people started calling me an idiot, does that mean they are closed minded and hateful? Honestly curious lol.


Kind of relevant, they have found that brain structures are different between gay males and heterosexual males, and that brain structures are different between lesbians and heterosexual women. Scientists have found that sexuality is more about 'nature' than 'nurture' (i.e., more about biological factors than upbringing and societal standards).


So then gender is not a social construct like the other user was suggesting, you're saying that it's more biological than social, or is it a mix? Btw I don't mean to come off as closed minded, I have nothing against trans people, I love everyone, I just wanna understand this.




Gender is a social construct. Societies create for themselves standards for how genders should typically be. There is a male gender and there is a female gender.


Sex is biological. (Not the same as 'sex' as an act of intimacy and/or pleasure) There is biological sex, which would be what you are born as. For example, some people are born as the male sex, some are born as the female sex, and then there are some types of hermaphrodites. There are three different types of hermaphrodites, each one a particular sex.

Some people are intersex, which is that they are born with certain sex organs not typically found in the sex they seem to be. For example, someone could be a man, and identify as a male, but while getting a medical scan sometime at a doctor's office or hospital, for some treatment or trying to form a diagnosis; for example, the doctors find that he has a womb in his abdomen. It is a non-functioning womb and they lack other corresponding female sex organs, but yet they have an anomaly with their otherwise male body. Intersex people could seem totally male or totally female and yet unbeknownst to them and anyone else, they might have a fluke with their body. I believe the case is that typically intersex individuals don't even know they are intersex individuals.

So for trans people, for example a trans woman, a trans woman would be of the male sex, with a male body (pretty much, there are anomalies with the brain, as I mentioned in the other post), yet with their gender identity problems, they have a female psyche and identify with the female gender. So a trans woman can transition...they can't change their biological sex, but they can choose to embrace the female gender, to try to align themselves with a female self, since a female self is how they feel they are, how they identify their self as. The term 'transsexual' was used very much years ago, but transgender is now the term that should be used, since people can align themselves with a gender they identify with, but no one can actually change their biological sex.
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COW: IW is nearing 3 million dislikes.

Technically, this is the most disliked video since COD: IW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvxRsDpXPGo

( I apologize in advance ).


omfg. I listened to the first few words and I cracked and started laughing until I coughed. Dat voice tho.
anyways, on to the main topic.
Don't you just love youtube comments? People demoralizing and shaming others on the internet in a section that is dedicated to helping the creator pinpoint flaws and notice the things they did right? I just adore youtube's comments. Did the creator mess up an audio clip in his video? "Let's go tell him so he can fix it and be wary about future mistakes!" but in reality "Nah bruv les go tel him that his a peice o shiet that shoulndt be on utube" Ahhh youtube!
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octorockandroll wrote:

I think you should take a step back and ask yourself why this whole "pride in gender and orientation" thing exists. The whole pride movements and parades and events are not shallow bouts of narcissism, they are filling a need. It stems from people being culturally, and sometimes legally, repressed. Made to feel as though they are some kind of disgusting abomination. The pride stuff is a way for the people in question to not only show empathy and support for one another, but also to rebel against those that would put them down. And really, one of the best ways to rebel against people trying to make something out to be reprehensible and wrong is to do that thing publicly and loudly. There's a quote by Jim Sterling that sums this whole thing up quite well: "If you're sick of the parades and the showing off, you might want to direct your irritation toward the root cause of it, not the symptom."


I see what you're trying to say, but why have I felt none of this supposed cultural and legal repression? And why do I not feel like a disgusting abomination like others do?

In terms of legal issues, what else is there other than gay marriage, which is now legal in the entire country, right? You may have a point here, but I don't see it yet, because I don't really know the issues that there are.


Well experiences will vary of course but I'm sure some quick internet searches will reveal quite a whole lot to you. In many us states it is still legal to fire an employee or refuse service to someone for being gay. Not to mention the transgender issues. Dear lord does america have some issues with transgender rights. I'm sure you have at least heard of the bathroom bills, but that isnt even the half of it. As for non-legal stuff well, it all depends on where you are but it shouldnt be too hard to find some pretty insulting and quite offensive shit out there. Even the powerpuff girls contributed to that (although supposedly unintentionally) when they tried to make an episode about transgenderism. Not to mention other stuff like the westboro baptist church, Marvel comics' refusal to give lead roles to lgbt characters even if the writers want to. Stuff like this is thankfully getting less common but it's a very slow process. Hell, I live in Canada where young adults can't even remember a time when gay marriage wasn't legal, and there's still a lot of shit flung at that group here. Just the other day an MP for a town neighbouring my very own announced publicly that he was not going to attend the local pride parade not because of personal responsibilities or just because it didnt interest him, but because he refuses to support the lgbt community. And people fucking flocked to his defence like seagulls around a piece of moldy bread. You wouldn't believe how many people were screaming about how he said nothing wrong.

That kind of shit is why the pride stuff is still needed. I look forward to the day where it no longer is, but until all of this bile stops coming out on a regular basis (didnt even mention the orlando shooting or the other pride parade shooting that was planned for the same day) I cannot justify anyone calling them selfish and self-centered.
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Seems like chaos...
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Ocale wrote:


octorockandroll wrote:

I think you should take a step back and ask yourself why this whole "pride in gender and orientation" thing exists. The whole pride movements and parades and events are not shallow bouts of narcissism, they are filling a need. It stems from people being culturally, and sometimes legally, repressed. Made to feel as though they are some kind of disgusting abomination. The pride stuff is a way for the people in question to not only show empathy and support for one another, but also to rebel against those that would put them down. And really, one of the best ways to rebel against people trying to make something out to be reprehensible and wrong is to do that thing publicly and loudly. There's a quote by Jim Sterling that sums this whole thing up quite well: "If you're sick of the parades and the showing off, you might want to direct your irritation toward the root cause of it, not the symptom."


I see what you're trying to say, but why have I felt none of this supposed cultural and legal repression? And why do I not feel like a disgusting abomination like others do?

In terms of legal issues, what else is there other than gay marriage, which is now legal in the entire country, right? You may have a point here, but I don't see it yet, because I don't really know the issues that there are.


The legal issues may be gone, but attitudes towards LGBT are still very much in force. The modern era may be a more forgiving time for homosexuals, but even in these countries where they can marry you'll still find places where hating homosexuals is the social norm. People living in these circumstances go to the movement for the support they need, because they don't trust the people closest to them with the truth. Your case of never being repressed isn't the same for everyone, though hopefully it eventually will be.

Plus, there's the fact that taking pride in your homosexuality as part of your identity, when everyone else tells you its wrong, is a uniting force for this movement. When enough people gather together because of something they share in common, they essentially become a tribe, and that shared trait becomes the tribal identity, the same way black people in the US created their own identity after being stripped of all other tribal affiliations by the institution of slavery. People like to express their identity as a way of showing solidarity with their tribe and the human mindset often expects ourselves to do so. If there's one thing you can count on to stick around for long periods of time, even if the catalyst for creating it is less prevalent, its tribalism.
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As for non-legal stuff well, it all depends on where you are but it shouldnt be too hard to find some pretty insulting and quite offensive shit out there.


It isn't that I'm not exposed to "offensive shit," it's that it doesn't affect me whatsoever, and it shouldn't affect anyone, because this single preference shouldn't be so overblown as if it's a defining feature of a person. You didn't seem to grab onto this idea I put out in my first post. Can you explain to me why people do this? They make as big of a deal of their sexuality as the people who are bigoted towards them do. My grandparents, whom I live with and was raised by, are pretty anti-LGBT for the most part, unless the LGBT person in question "acts normal," and this does not hurt me at all. It's equivalent as them insulting a genre of books that I happen to like and saying bad things about the fans of the genre, meaning me. What harm does that do? We just disagree.

Obviously it's not exactly the same, but what I mean is that that's the level of impact it has on me personally, and I don't understand why anyone else would ever feel any differently than me on this. It's only one tiny part of you (at least I would hope so), so what is the big fuss? Other than the legal bits. That makes sense, but the whole whining about being socially picked on and whatnot is just absurd to me, and I guess I just won't be able to understand. I kind of give up.


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People living in these circumstances go to the movement for the support they need, because they don't trust the people closest to them with the truth.

Plus, there's the fact that taking pride in your homosexuality as part of your identity, when everyone else tells you its wrong, is a uniting force for this movement.


Why do they need support? Why do they need to tell others "the truth"? I have never understood "coming out of the closet," because there's no reason to. In fact, it should stay away from being revealed, not because of shame, but because sexual preferences are just inappropriate to talk about 99% of the time. No one needs to know if you're gay or whatever. It's irrelevant. I'm just as much bothered when straight people have to blurt out whatever they like as when a gay person feels the need to tell me they're gay.

You also seem to not really grasp on what all it implies when I claim sexuality should not be a large part of one's identity. No one can ever explain this one to me. Why create a social tribe out of something so arbitrary? I guess for the legal reasons, but like I say above, the LGBT community also complains about being socially whatevered.

(See above too if you haven't already)
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how about the fine bros react world video?
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