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Posted 6/27/16

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As the title says. I happened to stumble across a video yesterday that discussed the Japanese taking a stance against illegal streaming sites. In the video, it talks of a task force being put together with the sole purpose of tracking down what automated scanning has missed. Including videos on youtube. I personally am all for this, as it will only help the industry in the long run. What are your thoughts on this? I've provided the link to the video below for those that wish to see what I am referring to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIGqpXZ3TyI


i've noticed with illegal movie streaming sites is that they get taken down but then put right back up back under a different link and slightly different name. Someone behind the scenes knows what they are doing and probably just making money off ads they add to the illegal uploads. (hacker status? or just ad manipulation or both? who knows)


More often than not the servers are hosted in "untouchable" countries who don't give a rat's behind about stopping piracy. When they're not, and get shut down, they just move operations to a new "safe" country to host from. All that's bound to happen is they'll educate pirates on how to stay safely out of their reach and create more pirates in the long run when the average person reads the news stories and begins to realize how easy it is.
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stoner789 wrote:


Negrodaumus wrote:

As the title says. I happened to stumble across a video yesterday that discussed the Japanese taking a stance against illegal streaming sites. In the video, it talks of a task force being put together with the sole purpose of tracking down what automated scanning has missed. Including videos on youtube. I personally am all for this, as it will only help the industry in the long run. What are your thoughts on this? I've provided the link to the video below for those that wish to see what I am referring to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIGqpXZ3TyI


i've noticed with illegal movie streaming sites is that they get taken down but then put right back up back under a different link and slightly different name. Someone behind the scenes knows what they are doing and probably just making money off ads they add to the illegal uploads. (hacker status? or just ad manipulation or both? who knows)


More often than not the servers are hosted in "untouchable" countries who don't give a rat's behind about stopping piracy. When they're not, and get shut down, they just move operations to a new "safe" country to host from. All that's bound to happen is they'll educate pirates on how to stay safely out of their reach and create more pirates in the long run when the average person reads the news stories and begins to realize how easy it is.


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I'm all for it so long as there is a legal way to watch the series online. If the anime producers refuse to license it then they really can't complain if people use any means to watch it.
Posted 6/27/16
I guess so.
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They have to close KissAnime. It is the hub for anime piracy.
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they'll never be able to stomp out piracy fully
five more sites popup for every one they delete
and i'm perfectly fine with piracy still thriving, i don't have the money to pay for this crap with my lousy job, i pay for a figure every once in a blue moon, that's my contribution to the anime industry. i don't care what people think.
Posted 6/28/16 , edited 6/28/16
So, my suspicion is proven. I feel it when I left by Boruto : Naruto the movie in the cinema. I just know the show showed up in my region a month after the movie taken down. *huft* So, I started searched *ahem* the illegal streaming on the internet and I only find the Japanese dubbed in a very poor quality. Others are Korean and English dub. Because I've been attached with the original voices in Naruto, so I watched the poor quality one. I'll say, it's good to have the pirates hunter. It will save the anime production. But, I hope they will provide the original DVDs or Blue-Ray completely and easy to find in my region. And... it would be wonderful if Crunchyroll have the more shows of anime and anime movies, hehe
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Posted 6/28/16 , edited 6/28/16

neugenx wrote:


stoner789 wrote:


Negrodaumus wrote:

As the title says. I happened to stumble across a video yesterday that discussed the Japanese taking a stance against illegal streaming sites. In the video, it talks of a task force being put together with the sole purpose of tracking down what automated scanning has missed. Including videos on youtube. I personally am all for this, as it will only help the industry in the long run. What are your thoughts on this? I've provided the link to the video below for those that wish to see what I am referring to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIGqpXZ3TyI


i've noticed with illegal movie streaming sites is that they get taken down but then put right back up back under a different link and slightly different name. Someone behind the scenes knows what they are doing and probably just making money off ads they add to the illegal uploads. (hacker status? or just ad manipulation or both? who knows)


More often than not the servers are hosted in "untouchable" countries who don't give a rat's behind about stopping piracy. When they're not, and get shut down, they just move operations to a new "safe" country to host from. All that's bound to happen is they'll educate pirates on how to stay safely out of their reach and create more pirates in the long run when the average person reads the news stories and begins to realize how easy it is.


That's a very good point. It would educate them on ways to set up a site in a safe region from anti piracy laws. But, the fact remains, that doesn't protect the owner from the consequences of piracy of copyrighted material. It's kind of like saying "if I put this stack of money in a box, nobody can touch it." But, if the stack of money that I put in the box is stolen, it doesn't mean I'm not going to jail for stealing it. It just means that for the moment, nobody can touch the money but me. However, once you go to jail, the law enforcement can and will take it out of said box.
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If those diot businessmen would just change their dinosaur business model, ditch the licensing time limits & renewals to allow unlimited periods of time for each licence, and declare the internet as a new, separate region in order to bypass physical regional restrictions, allowing anyone, anywhere to watch all content available to the service. If they changed their business model to this, then going after illegal streaming websites would be great! but as it currently stands, those websites are the go to place when something isn't available on the services you currently pay for(in my case netflix & crunchyroll), as well as those websites being the gateway for most new anime fans in the west.
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You can't stop the signal.

As long as we have control of our computers and uncensored internet copyright infringement will always exist. It is impossible to stop without absolute control.

But you don't need to stop it. You just need to make it hard enough so that paying for it is easier. Who really wants to track down every episode on oddball websites you need to dig around for when you can just pay a little bit of money to watch it somewhere with little to no effort?

You can always get it online for free somewhere. But if you have a few dollars to spare and don't want to spend hours digging around, why bother? I'll watch anime here and save the stress thanks.
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it's a double edge sword. if there wasnt piracy yes the companies would be getting more money then they get now by us consumers.
But, with out piracy and illegeal streaming and fan subs we wouldnt being getting a lot of the animes we see officially from funimation viz or crunchyroll. its supply and demand. i noticed a few years ago viz funimation didnt have the anime i watch and i went to fan subs and streaming sites the anime got popular and eventually funimation and another one viz media got the rights. its really up to the companies to make that desicion which is more important content people want or money. but the truth is if it wasnt for piracy and illegal streams we wouldnt have the diverse content we have today. piracy helps and doesnt help
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Closing illegal streamin sites wont do any help it may detect on start and close some sites but they will always find way and re-open the sites and anyway there are torrents ppl will simply download all anime and watch it then. Also the main issue with legal streamin is the whole shitty country blocking to certain anime, cuz whats the point buying a subsciption if you cant watch half of the anime that will air. CR is kinda good cuz you can pretty much watch most of the anime they got, while for FUNI if you aint from USA,UK you cant watch shiet. So yeh until iam personnaly able to watch all the anime freely no matter where i live i dont see the point on payin for smth that i wont be able to watch.
So yeah ill say it once again legal streamin will become somethin great when a site will be able to provide all the anime that will air that season and also make it avaiable for pretty much every country until that is done i rather stick to the illegal route where i can watch every anime without a worry.
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Posted 6/28/16 , edited 6/28/16

amga20d wrote:

They have to close KissAnime. It is the hub for anime piracy.


So true lmfao, they even have KissCartoon which I am guilty of using sometimes. (A website with every cartoon ever made, I can't resist.)
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Posted 6/28/16 , edited 6/28/16

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That's a very good point. It would educate them on ways to set up a site in a safe region from anti piracy laws. But, the fact remains, that doesn't protect the owner from the consequences of piracy of copyrighted material. It's kind of like saying "if I put this stack of money in a box, nobody can touch it." But, if the stack of money that I put in the box is stolen, it doesn't mean I'm not going to jail for stealing it. It just means that for the moment, nobody can touch the money but me. However, once you go to jail, the law enforcement can and will take it out of said box.


In many cases what you say is true but when it comes to countries who have conflicting ways with the U.S. (China, Malaysia, The Ukraine) in many cases nothing can be done to even get information on the parties who own said sites yet alone a way to go after them. It's being referred to as "bulletproof hosting". Here's an article with specifics on it...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/05/internet-piracy-bulletproof

If the World were all agreeable on the detriment of piracy it would be easy to deal with; unfortunately, quite a few countries thrive on it and a dislike of the United States lawmakers.
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I don't have the knowledge or insight to say that the fight on piracy is something that can be won in the near or distant future, but I wouldn't call it a fruitless endeavor. I've spent a lot of time, shaking the right hands trying to get into the right circles, and I found that Piracy, at least from a media standpoint is a hoarder's game. I had so much crap, that if I I watched my plex server for a year straight I wouldn't have gotten through it all. I've done a lot of research on this and tackled it from a moral position. It is illegal, so I will not do it. It's simple but also irrefutable. For me it was an addiction to "Free Stuff," that said, the prospect of being fined, the public humiliation, and what I've mentioned above was enough to give it my all.

So, I truly hope that enough people will stop to help the industry. I'd like to see more dual audio discs and streams. That's only going to happen if it's lucrative for investors.
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