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Actually all the other religions have pretty much stopped killing people in these modern times. There seems to be only one still living in the stone age.


Mhm. It's not militant, radical fundamentalist religion in general that's the problem, no sir.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutaree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Priesthood
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerned_Christians
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Discussion? All I see with these threads is people trying to spread more hate around.


At least they are spreading BODY PARTS around like the terrorists.
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This thing just keeps getting oversimplified. Calling ISIL a militant, radical fundamentalist Islamic terrorist group is accurate because that's what they are, but ISIL and the like are just that: radical, militant, fundamentalist Muslims. Extending the ideologies of such groups (which can and do conflict even within militant Islam as a whole) to all of Islam is a mistake just as much as extending the ideology and actions of groups like the Army of God and Hutaree to all Christians would be mistaken. What's more, and again, terrorism in Turkey extends beyond religiously-motivated groups. There are Marxist-Leninists and ethnic nationalists engaging in terrorism in Turkey.

It's like nuance is impossible in these discussions, and for the life of me I don't know why.
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This thing just keeps getting oversimplified. Calling ISIL a militant, radical fundamentalist Islamic terrorist group is accurate because that's what they are, but ISIL and the like are just that: radical, militant, fundamentalist Muslims. Extending the ideologies of such groups (which can and do conflict even within militant Islam as a whole) to all of Islam is a mistake just as much as extending the ideology and actions of groups like the Army of God and Hutaree to all Christians would be mistaken. What's more, and again, terrorism in Turkey extends beyond religiously-motivated groups. There are Marxist-Leninists and ethnic nationalists engaging in terrorism in Turkey.

It's like nuance is impossible in these discussions, and for the life of me I don't know why.


Maybe people just like to be lazy about it. So much easier to blame them all than try to sort out the good from the bad. Can just point at the whole group and say "get'm!" before patting themselves on the back for a job well done. It's not like that could ever possibly make anyone angry and cause issues later on or anything.
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Oh, the apologists for the religion of peace have already appeared.


But what do the people of the religion believe, in their own words?:






"...majorities in most regions say a wife should always obey her husband. Medians of more than eight-in-ten Muslims express this view in Southeast Asia (93%), South Asia (88%), and the Middle East and North Africa (87%). Even in Central Asia, a region characterized by relatively low levels of religious observance and strong support for a woman’s right to decide whether to wear a veil, seven-in-ten Muslims agree that a wife should carry out her husband’s wishes.11 Only in Southern and Eastern Europe do fewer than half (median of 43%) share this view." [Pew Research Center]














"Among those who want sharia to be the law of the land, in 10 of 20 countries where there are adequate samples for analysis at least half say they support penalties such as whippings or cutting off the hands of thieves and robbers.17 In South Asia, Pakistani and Afghan Muslims clearly support hudud punishments [apostasy]. In both countries, more than eight-in-ten Muslims who favor making sharia the official law of the land also back these types of penalties for theft and robbery (88% in Pakistan and 81% in Afghanistan). By contrast, only half of Bangladeshis who favor sharia as the law of the land share this view.

In the Middle East and North Africa, many Muslims who support making sharia the official law also favor punishments like cutting off the hands of thieves. This includes at least seven-in-ten in the Palestinian territories (76%) and Egypt (70%), and at least half in Jordan (57%), Iraq (56%) and Lebanon (50%). Only in Tunisia do fewer than half (44%) of those who want Islamic law as the law of the land also back these types of criminal penalties. [...]

In 10 of 20 countries where there are adequate samples for analysis, at least half of Muslims who favor making sharia the law of the land also favor stoning unfaithful spouses.18

Some of the highest support for stoning is found in South Asia and the Middle East-North Africa region. In Pakistan (89%) and Afghanistan (85%), more than eight-in-ten Muslims who want Islamic law as their country’s official law say adulterers should be stoned, while nearly as many say the same in the Palestinian territories (84%) and Egypt (81%). A majority also support stoning as a penalty for the unfaithful in Jordan (67%), Iraq (58%). However, support is significantly lower in Lebanon (46%) and Tunisia (44%), where less than half of those who support sharia as the official law of the land believe that adulterers should be stoned." [Pew Research Center]










"In South Asia, high percentages in all the countries surveyed support making sharia the official law, including nearly universal support among Muslims in Afghanistan (99%). More than eight-in-ten Muslims in Pakistan (84%) and Bangladesh (82%) also hold this view. The percentage of Muslims who say they favor making Islamic law the official law in their country is nearly as high across the Southeast Asian countries surveyed (86% in Malaysia, 77% in Thailand and 72% in Indonesia).

In sub-Saharan Africa, at least half of Muslims in most countries surveyed say they favor making sharia the official law of the land, including more than seven-in-ten in Niger (86%), Djibouti (82%), the Democratic Republic of the Congo (74%) and Nigeria (71%).

Support for sharia as the official law of the land also is widespread among Muslims in the Middle East-North Africa region – especially in Iraq (91%) and the Palestinian territories (89%). Only in Lebanon does opinion lean in the opposite direction: 29% of Lebanese Muslims favor making sharia the law of the land, while 66% oppose it." [Pew Research Center]
















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And in the United States and Western Europe? They're conspicuously missing.

Edit: You know what else is funny? If you total the figures for either "Good" or "Neither/I Don't Know" for the question about whether it's good or bad that a country's laws don't follow Sharia a lot of countries have solid majorities of Muslim populations that either don't want Sharia or don't care whether it's present or not.
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Oh, the apologists for the religion of peace have already appeared.


Oh, I haven't heard that one before

Some countries do go overboard and allow violence, and shame on them, but just because these people were raised a different way than you and believe different things, doesn't mean they're going to go bomb a fucking airport

And the whole wives thing, stop pretending like you care about these women and feel like they're being imprisoned; they want to be there for themselves and their faith. They're free to leave (except for the countries that go too far, like I said) You only want to push your ideals on them. and believe anyone who doesn't think like you is a savage or a terrorist.

There are extremists everywhere, and from my experience I've found that Christians are the most hateful and intolerant by far.
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And in the United States and Western Europe? They're conspicuously missing.

Edit: You know what else is funny? If you total the figures for either "Good" or "Neither/I Don't Know" for the question about whether it's good or bad that a country's laws don't follow Sharia a lot of countries have solid majorities of Muslim populations that either don't want Sharia or don't care whether it's present or not.


Thank you.
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Thank you.


No big deal.

Edit: I had it right before. Second guessed myself.
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maxgale wrote:

Oh, the apologists for the religion of peace have already appeared.


Oh, I haven't heard that one before

Some countries do go overboard and allow violence, and shame on them, but just because these people were raised a different way than you and believe different things, doesn't mean they're going to go bomb a fucking airport

And the whole wives thing, stop pretending like you care about these women and feel like they're being imprisoned; they want to be there for themselves and their faith. They're free to leave (except for the countries that go too far, like I said) You only want to push your ideals on them. and believe anyone who doesn't think like you is a savage or a terrorist.

There are extremists everywhere, and from my experience I've found that Christians are the most hateful and intolerant by far.




A Western female defending Islam is like a pig lobbying for Big Bacon.




Your anecdotal evidence simply does not refute the overwhelming evidence otherwise.



Such as how just five Islamic terrorist groups are responsible for 60% of all those slain by terrorists in 2015.



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*why islam needs to go
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maxgale wrote:


-Dattebayo wrote:


maxgale wrote:

Oh, the apologists for the religion of peace have already appeared.


Oh, I haven't heard that one before

Some countries do go overboard and allow violence, and shame on them, but just because these people were raised a different way than you and believe different things, doesn't mean they're going to go bomb a fucking airport

And the whole wives thing, stop pretending like you care about these women and feel like they're being imprisoned; they want to be there for themselves and their faith. They're free to leave (except for the countries that go too far, like I said) You only want to push your ideals on them. and believe anyone who doesn't think like you is a savage or a terrorist.

There are extremists everywhere, and from my experience I've found that Christians are the most hateful and intolerant by far.




A Western female defending Islam is like a pig lobbying for Big Bacon.




Your anecdotal evidence simply does not refute the overwhelming evidence otherwise.


What evidence?? You mean those screenshots??

Have you met any Muslims?? Did they bomb you?

It's not like I'm not defending terrorism, I'm defending people's rights, that they can believe whatever they want. Isn't that what the U.S. is about? People only want freedom if it suits them. And it's not fair for you to judge an entire religion just because some lunatics decide they can do whatever they want in the name of god.
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The craziest part of all?

"Favour or oppose making Sharia the law of the land?"

Turkey - 12% in favour

"Among Muslims who say Sharia should be the law of the land, % who favour the death penalty for converts?"

Turkey - 17%

So only 17% of 12% of Turkey's Muslims would kill people for apostasy. It's almost like this is a nuanced question after all. I mean, once you take into consideration that Turkey is like 99% Muslim and has a population of nearly 80 million people how could you conclude anything else?
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people can believe in whatever they want but just don't say it's the right thing to believe in

it's really simple you don't go around saying islam is religion of peace. other than that you are allowed to believe in islam. ISLAM is and will never be religion of peace.


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