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Post Reply When it comes to writing, which is most important? Grammar or Storytelling?
Posted 6/29/16
They go hand-in-hand. Poor grammar can actually ruin the experience of reading a really good story.
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Storytellin'.
I don't care how good your grammar is. If your story sucks it just sucks.
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Posted 6/29/16 , edited 6/29/16

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Ryuouka wrote:


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What? Of all things, you made the option between storytelling and...grammar? What about characters, or themes? Or even interaction? No, let's put grammar in there and pretend like it's not the very basic of the basics in life.

Whether i'm reading a really shit story, or a quality story, I'd for sure expect proper grammar...wouldn't you?


Storytelling and grammar are highly important to me. Yet I can't decide which is more important.

Showing not telling is complicated.


Trust me, If you don't have proper grammar, none will even look at your story.


True. At the same time would you read a story with good grammar but is boring?


This is irrelevant. The question is simply, would I read a good or bad story...
If there are stories, or books that you actually pay for, then ''bad grammar'' shouldn't be something you even have to think about.
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Posted 6/29/16 , edited 6/29/16
I'd say it depends on the story. So perhaps, in that sense, maybe I'd say storytelling?

For example, if I was reading a novel written from the point of view of an uneducated or "low class" character, I might actually expect improper grammar (or grammar I feel is reflective of the character).

I haven't read many stories written like that though, so generally I'd say grammar is very important, but still not more important than the story.

If the grammar is bad but the story is good, then I feel like that can be corrected. I don't think the reverse is really true.

But, of course, that's just my opinion.
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Posted 6/29/16 , edited 6/29/16
Both!!!!

It's hard to enjoy a good story if the bad grammar is like a sledgehammer that smashes the HD movie screen I have going on in my mind.
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Posted 6/29/16 , edited 6/29/16

gornotck wrote:


Ryuouka wrote:

What? Of all things, you made the option between storytelling and...grammar? What about characters, or themes? Or even interaction? No, let's put grammar in there and pretend like it's not the very basic of the basics in life.

Whether i'm reading a really shit story, or a quality story, I'd for sure expect proper grammar...wouldn't you?


Given my experiences with terrible writing? No. Not at all. I expect people, especially self-publishing people, to have smashed their face into their desk for twelve hours and then somehow transposed their ejecta through some sort of Tron-like process into a linguistic pattern.

Terrible writing misses both storytelling and basic linguistic skillsets. Boring writing misses storytelling, and is thus not engaging. Good storytelling and bad grammar is Finnegan's Wake.


In what format are we talking about? Self written stories on the web, or finished published books? Because I certainly have never experienced any grammar problems in the books i've read, only bad sentence structure or wording...
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Makes sense. It's just grammar along with show not tell bothers me when it comes to writing. I think too much and should just write to my heart's content.
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Posted 6/29/16

Ryuouka wrote:


gornotck wrote:


Ryuouka wrote:

What? Of all things, you made the option between storytelling and...grammar? What about characters, or themes? Or even interaction? No, let's put grammar in there and pretend like it's not the very basic of the basics in life.

Whether i'm reading a really shit story, or a quality story, I'd for sure expect proper grammar...wouldn't you?


Given my experiences with terrible writing? No. Not at all. I expect people, especially self-publishing people, to have smashed their face into their desk for twelve hours and then somehow transposed their ejecta through some sort of Tron-like process into a linguistic pattern.

Terrible writing misses both storytelling and basic linguistic skillsets. Boring writing misses storytelling, and is thus not engaging. Good storytelling and bad grammar is Finnegan's Wake.


In what format are we talking about? Self written stories on the web, or finished published books? Because I certainly have never experienced any grammar problems in the books i've read, only bad sentence structure or wording...


Actually, I was considering both self-published stories like those of FanFiction.net and self-published, finished books that never saw an editor.

So self-published, finished books that people actually pay for. With real money. Bad sentence structures, wording, spelling, all those grammatical components, I have seen some bad things. Particularly in genres where people are already looking for something base to fill those 'HD movies in my head' that I hear so much about, but don't experience. Granted, you generally see much fewer problems for things you actually are expected to pay for, but it still comes up.

Self-published stories that are just put out there for everyone to "enjoy" are probably much too wide of a barrel to be useful, even as they style themselves 'writers' and 'authors'.

Grammar is probably the least hard thing about writing, simply because it is so entrenched in everything, but people consistently err on things they take for granted, and, for English especially, there aren't many real rules, despite what certain publications would have you believe.
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Posted 6/29/16
Storytelling.

i love writing and my grammar is atrocious
Posted 6/29/16

Ryuouka wrote:

Thank you for clearing this up. I almost lost hope when I saw all those storytelling answers...


Keep in mind that many people only think of syntax, like punctuation and spelling, when they think of grammar.
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Posted 6/29/16 , edited 6/29/16
They are both necessary. One without the other is like Bonnie without Clyde. Chicken without waffles. Arararararagi Koyomin without Hitagi-san.

Although I would have to say story-telling, because I personally auto-correct sentences in my head for bad spelling and grammar when I read for max efficiency. This does mean I get stuck sometimes when I read particularly badly written things, and I'll reformat an entire paragraph mentally so it flows better.
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Posted 6/30/16
Both are important but I would say work on the story first and then fix the grammar. You need decent grammar in order to make people understand what you are saying. Good grammar is the difference between:

Let's eat Grandpa

And

Let's eat, Grandpa

I do struggle with grammar but that's what there are free software downloads out there, like Grammarly, that help but they can be a bit stuffy. Like someone said earlier, people don't always speak in a grammatically correct way so why would you write like that all the time? I guess it depends on the style of story you're writing.
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