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American pres race, who are you planning to vote for?
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Posted 7/2/16 , edited 7/2/16

iOfLostLore wrote:

I refuse to vote for anyone. I might even just WWOOF for 4 years in another country.


I understand the frustration...after the year Al Gore ran but W won, I gave up on voting myself 'cause I was so pissed....

But this year? We're really at the crossroads here;

I don't like Obama, (though I did during his first four years), but he did make a lot of progession in this country. At least if Hillary wins, as someone said, things will still suck probably, but it'll just be another Obama era.

If Trump wins? You might as well seriously kiss freedom goodbye. We'll make Brexit look like nothing.

So not voting this year could SERIOUSLY damage this country. Or make it even stronger.
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Vote Cthulhu 2016!

When the two major parties have chosen two of the most authoritarian nominees in recent history, the White House is already lost. Might as well write in Satan himself.
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One does not "think" and "vote Trump" at the same time. ;p

I sincerely do not buy the whole "both sides are bad" narrative this election. Your options are a center left democrat and a xenophobic nativist demagogue that has virtually no understanding of government or global politics. Let alone economics or trade. Who quite literally can't even run a primary campaign nevermind a country. Who can't take even the mildest criticism and displays all the temperament and tact of a narcissistic toddler.

I mean cripes, people. This isn't even an argument. You may not like Clinton but the worst she's going to do is maintain the status quo left by Obama. On the other hand you could become a global embarrassment on par with Best Korea except with actual nukes. You would literally be better off voting in an actual orangutan rather than someone that looks like they shaved an orangutan then tried to glue its hair back on.

Throwing your vote away in protest isn't going to help.



Couldn't agree more except for the part about both sides not being bad. Personal opinion of course but I just don't like Hillary. I can overlook any lying and the shady things that have come to light simply because that is a politician but I just would rather have another viable option.
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Mexico won't know what hit it.
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Mexico won't know what hit it.


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Couldn't agree more except for the part about both sides not being bad. Personal opinion of course but I just don't like Hillary. I can overlook any lying and the shady things that have come to light simply because that is a politician but I just would rather have another viable option.


By "both sides are bad" I'm referring to the false equivalency that's always bandied around in American politics. Where the bobble heads get caught being shitlords and rather than take responsibility for it they point to the other side and go "Yeah, well they did <insert whatever>" as a defense. While the American media encourages it in the name of ratings. Instead of taking any responsibility for actual journalism.

As for the shady things, while there are legit concerns, 75% of that is a decades long obsession the GOP has with the Clintons. To the point where its entered "If you repeat it enough times people will think its true" territory. See: wasting 7 million on nine Benghazi inquiries.

But its the nature of the two party system. You get two options. You may not like them but burning the house down because you didn't get the exact cookie you wanted won't help matters. Especially not this time around.

Trump doesn't just need to be defeated, he needs to be defeated by such a margin that it serves as a clear rejection to the political establishment that this sort of just rock bottom hatemongering gutter shit shoveling is unacceptable in America. Otherwise the GOP can just convince themselves they only lost by a few points so it was totally doable. They just need to double down on even more crazy for the next round. A strategy they have been following right into the dumpster fire for years now that led them to Trump in the first place.

The fact he's even the nominee has already done enough damage to the credibility of the American political system and the GOP itself. Nevermind America's global reputation. You really need to convince the rest of the world you're not as batshit crazy as some of you ( who scream the loudest ) are coming across lately.

This just is not the time to stay home or throw away your ballot on a protest vote. Look what that got the UK.






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EichiXIII wrote:
Couldn't agree more except for the part about both sides not being bad. Personal opinion of course but I just don't like Hillary. I can overlook any lying and the shady things that have come to light simply because that is a politician but I just would rather have another viable option.


By "both sides are bad" I'm referring to the false equivalency that's always bandied around in American politics. Where the bobble heads get caught being shitlords and rather than take responsibility for it they point to the other side and go "Yeah, well they did <insert whatever>" as a defense. While the American media encourages it in the name of ratings. Instead of taking any responsibility for actual journalism.

As for the shady things, while there are legit concerns, 75% of that is a decades long obsession the GOP has with the Clintons. To the point where its entered "If you repeat it enough times people will think its true" territory. See: wasting 7 million on nine Benghazi inquiries.

But its the nature of the two party system. You get two options. You may not like them but burning the house down because you didn't get the exact cookie you wanted won't help matters. Especially not this time around.

Trump doesn't just need to be defeated, he needs to be defeated by such a margin that it serves as a clear rejection to the political establishment that this sort of just rock bottom hatemongering gutter shit shoveling is unacceptable in America. Otherwise the GOP can just convince themselves they only lost by a few points so it was totally doable. They just need to double down on even more crazy for the next round. A strategy they have been following right into the dumpster fire for years now that led them to Trump in the first place.

The fact he's even the nominee has already done enough damage to the credibility of the American political system and the GOP itself. Nevermind America's global reputation. You really need to convince the rest of the world you're not as batshit crazy as some of you ( who scream the loudest ) are coming across lately.

This just is not the time to stay home or throw away your ballot on a protest vote. Look what that got the UK.







The reason Trump is doing so well is that he isn't very right wing of a candidate. He is closer to the center than any candidate but focused on the US economy and trade situation. The republican establishment did everything they could to prevent him from winning and still he won. All of the right-wingers are in a frenzy because Trump won the ticket over all of their horrible right-wing candidates.

The GOP DID NOT WANT Trump but their voter base did. Heck the democrats wanted bernie but because of stupid democrat rules most independents couldn't vote for bernie which was a huge part of his base and who decide the elections.
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Don't *want* to vote for either but Trump is the lesser of two evils and Hillary is against the few issues I personally care about. If Hillary wasn't so anti-gun and I wasn't a polar opposite of her views on foreign policy, domestic policy, and immigration I'd consider voting for her. She probably is the best qualified of all the remaining candidates (counting Bernie and Gary Johnson in there).

That being said, would prefer Gary Johnson. He's got the most in common with me by far.
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The reason Trump is doing so well is that he isn't very right wing of a candidate. He is closer to the center than any candidate but focused on the US economy and trade situation. The republican establishment did everything they could to prevent him from winning and still he won. All of the right-wingers are in a frenzy because Trump won the ticket over all of their horrible right-wing candidates.

The GOP DID NOT WANT Trump but their voter base did. Heck the democrats wanted bernie but because of stupid democrat rules most independents couldn't vote for bernie which was a huge part of his base and who decide the elections.


Trump is focused on whatever helps Trump. Which, currently, is throwing raw meat to the far right. He has, historically, gone back and forth between both parties as it suits him. The GOP is the one paying him the most preening attention, so now he's a Republican and he gets the most attention when he says crazy right wing shit. So he says crazy right wing shit. He is not a center candidate unless you're talking averages. He also doesn't know shit about the economy or trade but neither does his audience.

The establishment did precious little to stop him. They didn't start paying attention to the unfolding car crash until it was already too late to stop. Trump spoke directly to the batshit crazy racist ID that the GOP has been cultivating as its new base for the past decade. They courted it for power and now the monster they created has turned on them. They have no idea how to stop it and a pathological inability to admit mistakes. So now they have Trump.

As for Bernie, I'm not sure I follow. How did most democrats want Bernie but couldn't vote for him because they were independents ( and thus not democrats )?


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Oh yes, the career politicians have done such a wonderful job. They do exactly what they promise. They don't lie.

If you believe the previous three sentences, vote for Hillary. I don't. I feel like she would say / do / deny anything to become president. I would vote for a dead yak over Hillary.
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Clinton.

I don't imagine much is going to get done with Congress the way it is, so I just care about who makes Supreme Court appointments. That's not a task I trust Trump with, not that I trust Trump with any task. Hillary's far, far away from being a good candidate but at least she isn't a frothing cauldron of vapidity who has amassed a huge following despite never actually saying anything of substance.

I may not like Clinton in any capacity, but I'd rather her in the oval office than the monster the GOP has been feeding on willful ignorance and hate-filled bile for years. It's broken off its leash, is beyond their control and it's done enough damage to this country's political discourse already without putting it in a position to cause even more damage to politics both domestic and international.

So yeah I'm voting against Trump rather than specifically for Hillary. It's a bitter pill but America needs to swallow it. Trump is a sideshow clown and a petulant manchild, he has no business leading a country.
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I am not voting for a liar and criminal (Hillary) or an idiot socialist (Sanders). Voting for Trump concerns me, but out of those three, he is the best choice. This election is going to be interesting, to say the least. At present, I don't like the direction this country is headed, but I do love this country and what it has to offer. Just like every generation and period of time before us, we're living with issues that America hasn't really addressed or considered. Trump won't make America great again. Not in four or eight years at least. He'll either move this country towards getting back on track, or crash and burn. Hard. He'll still do a better job than Hillary or Sanders though.
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runec wrote:


Rujikin wrote:
The reason Trump is doing so well is that he isn't very right wing of a candidate. He is closer to the center than any candidate but focused on the US economy and trade situation. The republican establishment did everything they could to prevent him from winning and still he won. All of the right-wingers are in a frenzy because Trump won the ticket over all of their horrible right-wing candidates.

The GOP DID NOT WANT Trump but their voter base did. Heck the democrats wanted bernie but because of stupid democrat rules most independents couldn't vote for bernie which was a huge part of his base and who decide the elections.


Trump is focused on whatever helps Trump. Which, currently, is throwing raw meat to the far right. He has, historically, gone back and forth between both parties as it suits him. The GOP is the one paying him the most preening attention, so now he's a Republican and he gets the most attention when he says crazy right wing shit. So he says crazy right wing shit. He is not a center candidate unless you're talking averages. He also doesn't know shit about the economy or trade but neither does his audience.

The establishment did precious little to stop him. They didn't start paying attention to the unfolding car crash until it was already too late to stop. Trump spoke directly to the batshit crazy racist ID that the GOP has been cultivating as its new base for the past decade. They courted it for power and now the monster they created has turned on them. They have no idea how to stop it and a pathological inability to admit mistakes. So now they have Trump.

As for Bernie, I'm not sure I follow. How did most democrats want Bernie but couldn't vote for him because they were independents ( and thus not democrats )?




So? Party loyalty got us into this situation and Trump is his own man. He will not be controlled or be a puppet of the party like Bush or Obama has been. We should have just elected sock puppets as out last 2 presidents.

Haha you think its the crazies or right wingers that has trumps support? You have been watching too much liberal news network. Even the Republican party painted it as that to try to discourage voting for him. Trump has the support of moderates and independants with the right wingers having no choice but to vote for him.

Bernie was the same. He had socialist democrats and the Democratic leaning independent vote. Forgetting about in dependants is what loses you the election. Indepedants can vote either party but if you get one person the in dependants like they can win the election. Hillary and the democrats practiced a closed primary where people who marked themselves as democratic last summer were eligible to vote in their primaries while all the in dependants and new people Bernie was bringing to the party or to the polls couldn't vote for him. There are thousands of people who were not allowed to vote for Bernie because they marked themselves as independent or no party affiliation but were going to vote for Bernie in both the primary and general election.
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Make Trump use all of his OWN money then quickly impeach him before he can even finish using two cans of hair spray.


It may not take as long as you think. He's currently being sued by 2 Attorney Generals (over the Trump University Fraud Charges...and hopefully they'll get him for perjury due to all the lies in his deposition under oath), a woman he allegedly raped when she was 13 (she has a few witnesses including one of Trump's alleged co-conspirators and friends), a bunch of workers he refused to pay and the lawsuit over the golf course in the UK that he stiffed when jumping to Scotland. Oh, and last I heard the IRS investigation of him was still ongoing. His refusal to show his tax records is obviously due to him lying about his wealth like he admitted doing years ago. If even half these lawsuits come down before November he's most likely through in the race since career Republican supporters are jumping ship on him by either refusing to support him or backing Clinton due to knowing she's at least less likely to cause an International incident with our allies.

I still have no clue who I'm voting for but know one thing...it won't be Mr. Badhair Creamsicle.
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As an American citizen, I'm not voting for either canidates. They both have their faults so it doesn't matter who wins the election, we're damned if we do damned if we don't
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