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Freedom
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i don't think one can meaningfully exist without the other. Yet for purposes of this thread I'm going to come down on the side of equity because I think it's the one most sorely needed. Liberty that is not able to be enjoyed equitably by all is not truly liberty. Liberty and justice for all does mean for all. Everyone should have the same basic civic rights and enjoy a reasonable chance to have a happy life. If we have to wear a few fetters to ensure that comes about, so be it, I'll gladly don them.

It's not true freedom unless everyone has it.
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It's foolish to have one without the other. You can't fight for equality before having the freedom to do so and everyone should equally have the same right to live freely.
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dragonlord1234 wrote:


ajcu2696 wrote:

How about giving free pizza to everyone and responding to your question...



sure makes sense to give my own opinion on the matter, felt like reading a bit before replying myself.


i agree that freedom is the more important of the 2 because without freedom you can't have equality at all for example societies can be highly equal but is governed by a dictator or tyrant so most people are equally oppressed, such as in mentioned to some degree earlier communist countries they were created originally with the general goal of a nearly impossible goal of utopian society were everyone is equal but many become at best just another dictatorship while at worst became truly tyrannical. and so when i see people taking their freedom for granted or even outright giving it away it makes me quite upset (angry sad etc).


though if you want pizza will have be ok with one covered in ghost pepper sauce, toxic pufferfish skin instead of cheese, bread with black mold instead of regular yeast etc also 1million dollars from each of you :)



I can agree with you in some kind of way, i live on Venezuela. We dont have to much freedom or equality. A country that's exactly the case you talked in your response.

ps: I like my pizza with regular ingredients

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I come here to escape those kinds of questions.
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Freedom

Equality is a double edge sword.
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BOTH
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BOTH
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Yes.



Seriously though, I look at them as kind of related.

For example, take the extremes. First, a society where everyone is equal but no one is free. Who is the one enslaving everyone? Robots? There must be some group that is not equal to others imposing the restrictions. Next, take a society where all are free, but not all are equal. Don't we already have an analog to this? Seems similar to the U.S.A. before the civil rights movement - but is that really freedom?

'Shrugs' - I think they're interrelated, but I guess I'd choose equality just because I'm not sure any downside is possible in that scenario. Assuming there is no ruling class that is by default superior to everyone else, thus not being equal.
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Freedom > Equality

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Democracy > Communism

They cannot both exist at once. One must disappear for the other to flourish.
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both are vague concepts open to interpretation by the reader so I'll vote freedom, because equality requires specifics to establish
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It's sort of interesting how many people support slavery in the name of equality.
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Freedom,

Equality is only possible in books and movies. Main problem is government always get in the way of equality. They always talk about equality, but what it dose always ends up doing the opposite.
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gornotck wrote:

It's sort of interesting how many people support slavery in the name of equality.


ya i agree i would say thats one of the dangers of the word people it as the perfect ideal yet don't realize pushing to heavily for it can result in the loss of it and freedom in the end.
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camay1997 wrote:

both are vague concepts open to interpretation by the reader so I'll vote freedom, because equality requires specifics to establish


Freedom too...

One day I was with my wife at a department store when a woman brought a cat in with her. When my wife, who is scared of animals, asked the woman to not bring that cat too close (it's not a very big purse store... just a small room in the department store) the woman said

"What? IT'S A FREE COUNTRY!"

(Freedom to do just whatever? Freedom to be rude? Freedom to be inconsiderate?)
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