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http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/philando-castile-armed-robbery-robber-suspect-stopped-police-dispatch-audio-scanner-traffic-reports-listen-jeronimo-yanez-broken-taillight-traffic-why-pulled-him-over-nose-record-criminal-history-arre/
so there is audio of the cop saying he is pulling the man over because he is suspect, so one it isn't for a tail light, the media needs to stop that lie, two the cop DID call for medic aid right away , 3 the cop is not white he is latino and according to BLM logic minorities cant be racist soooo
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Oh, castile... not Castiel. Sillly me.
Posted 7/9/16
A possible robbery suspect? It wouldn't surprise me. I hear he once drank a whole liquor store.



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here it comes, the "he was actually a criminal, so it was totally fine to murder him" excuse.
it always turns out like this.
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From the recording:


I'm going to stop a car...I'm going to check IDs. I have reason to pull it over. The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just because of the wide set nose.


It's not unusual to see police use some minor traffic violation to obtain identification to check for larger issues in a person's record if they think they've found a suspect driving about, so I think that Yanez initially did tell Castile and Reynolds that he pulled them over for a tail light even if it was just a pretense for getting their IDs to check them for any history of robbery or outstanding warrants. It makes a lot of sense that he'd have done things that way, too. If Yanez approached the stop that way he'd be hedging his bets: if their IDs turned up nothing unusual he could just ticket them for the tail light and avoid being accused of racial profiling, and if something untoward came up that confirmed his suspicions he'd have stopped them with reasonable cause and gotten a suspect in a robbery case besides. I don't think the tail light thing is a fabrication at all. That's probably what is meant by "I have reason to pull it [Castile's car] over."

Now, a medic was promptly requested just as the OP says, and from the video Reynolds recorded Yanez was visibly and audibly upset at what had just transpired. Yanez clearly did not set out to kill Castile, and given the evidence we have I don't suspect he just let Castile die and I don't think the shooting happened because Castile was black. Maybe the traffic stop was at least partly motivated by Castile's race, but that's almost certainly not the case for the shooting.

Much more likely is that Yanez stopped someone he thought was a suspect in a robbery case, Castile announced he had a firearm and showed it to Yanez, Yanez asked for ID like he'd originally intended, Castile reached for his ID, Yanez panicked and thought a robbery suspect was about to shoot him and run, Yanez shot Castile, and Castile died from his wounds. There is no reason to, based on Reynolds' behaviour toward Yanez after the video started recording (she calls him "sir", calmly and promptly complies with commands, etc.), that Castile made any hostile gestures or assumed a disrespectful and hostile attitude. Yanez probably just panicked because he saw Castile reaching for his pocket and thought he was going for his gun.
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From the recording:


I'm going to stop a car...I'm going to check IDs. I have reason to pull it over. The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just because of the wide set nose.


It's not unusual to see police use some minor traffic violation to obtain identification to check for larger issues in a person's record if they think they've found a suspect driving about, so I think that Yanez initially did tell Castile and Reynolds that he pulled them over for a tail light even if it was just a pretense for getting their IDs to check them for any history of robbery or outstanding warrants. It makes a lot of sense that he'd have done things that way, too. If Yanez approached the stop that way he'd be hedging his bets: if their IDs turned up nothing unusual he could just ticket them for the tail light and avoid being accused of racial profiling, and if something untoward came up that confirmed his suspicions he'd have stopped them with reasonable cause and gotten a suspect in a robbery case besides. I don't think the tail light thing is a fabrication at all. That's probably what is meant by "I have reason to pull it [Castile's car] over."

Now, a medic was promptly requested just as the OP says, and from the video Reynolds recorded Yanez was visibly and audibly upset at what had just transpired. Yanez clearly did not set out to kill Castile, and given the evidence we have I don't suspect he just let Castile die and I don't think the shooting happened because Castile was black. Maybe the traffic stop was at least partly motivated by Castile's race, but that's almost certainly not the case for the shooting.

Much more likely is that Yanez stopped someone he thought was a suspect in a robbery case, Castile announced he had a firearm and showed it to Yanez, Yanez asked for ID like he'd originally intended, Castile reached for his ID, Yanez panicked and thought a robbery suspect was about to shoot him and run, Yanez shot Castile, and Castile died from his wounds. There is no reason to, based on Reynolds' behaviour toward Yanez after the video started recording (she calls him "sir", calmly and promptly complies with commands, etc.), that Castile made any hostile gestures or assumed a disrespectful and hostile attitude. Yanez probably just panicked because he saw Castile reaching for his pocket and thought he was going for his gun.


that is exactly it, this was tragic but in no ways was it RACIALLY PROFILING and OUT TO KILL A BLACK MAN "AGAIN" and cold blood murder as everyone seems to think and is acting upon,

that is what I am tired of
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that is exactly it, this was tragic but in no ways was it RACIALLY PROFILING and OUT TO KILL A BLACK MAN "AGAIN" and cold blood murder as everyone seems to think and is acting upon,

that is what I am tired of

I was watching a livestream today and a guy said something that I hadn't considered before. Paraphrasing here, but he observed that "Police officers in America almost seem afraid to deal with people."
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redokami wrote:

that is exactly it, this was tragic but in no ways was it RACIALLY PROFILING and OUT TO KILL A BLACK MAN "AGAIN" and cold blood murder as everyone seems to think and is acting upon,

that is what I am tired of

I was watching a livestream today and a guy said something that I hadn't considered before. Paraphrasing here, but he observed that "Police officers in America almost seem afraid to deal with people."


what do you expect with now a days? I don't blame them, I say, let them all quit their jobs
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redokami wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


redokami wrote:

that is exactly it, this was tragic but in no ways was it RACIALLY PROFILING and OUT TO KILL A BLACK MAN "AGAIN" and cold blood murder as everyone seems to think and is acting upon,

that is what I am tired of

I was watching a livestream today and a guy said something that I hadn't considered before. Paraphrasing here, but he observed that "Police officers in America almost seem afraid to deal with people."


what do you expect with now a days? I don't blame them, I say, let them all quit their jobs


I agree. And, I propose at least five guns in every American home, plus grenades, and some mines for those who have lawns. These guys just haven't played enough Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, is all. American citizens have played way more Call of Duty, have shot at way more beer cans and paper targets than anyone in the world, and they always imagine things like Ninja Pirates attacking them from every corner of the night, so they are naturally more fit for the job, more importantly ready.
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Hrafna wrote:


redokami wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


redokami wrote:

that is exactly it, this was tragic but in no ways was it RACIALLY PROFILING and OUT TO KILL A BLACK MAN "AGAIN" and cold blood murder as everyone seems to think and is acting upon,

that is what I am tired of

I was watching a livestream today and a guy said something that I hadn't considered before. Paraphrasing here, but he observed that "Police officers in America almost seem afraid to deal with people."


what do you expect with now a days? I don't blame them, I say, let them all quit their jobs


I agree. And, I propose at least five guns in every American home, plus grenades, and some mines for those who have lawns. These guys just haven't played enough Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, is all. American citizens have played way more Call of Duty, have shot at way more beer cans and paper targets than anyone in the world, and they always imagine things like Ninja Pirates attacking them from every corner of the night, so they are naturally more fit for the job, more importantly ready.


im not even talking about citizens patrolling themselves, infact the opposite, ,

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redokami wrote:

that is exactly it, this was tragic but in no ways was it RACIALLY PROFILING and OUT TO KILL A BLACK MAN "AGAIN" and cold blood murder as everyone seems to think and is acting upon,

that is what I am tired of


No, no, no. The matter of whether racial profiling took place and whether the shooting was a racist cop out to kill a black man are separate. One concerns the stop, while the other concerns the shooting. One is clear as crystal, while the other is clear as mud. Do you see?
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redokami wrote:

that is exactly it, this was tragic but in no ways was it RACIALLY PROFILING and OUT TO KILL A BLACK MAN "AGAIN" and cold blood murder as everyone seems to think and is acting upon,

that is what I am tired of


No, no, no. The matter of whether racial profiling took place and whether the shooting was a racist cop out to kill a black man are separate. One concerns the stop, while the other concerns the shooting. One is clear as crystal, while the other is clear as mud. Do you see?


not really, they go hand in hand
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redokami wrote:

not really, they go hand in hand


This is one of those things that can only bear out after further interviews, but I'm not going to exclude the possibility that racial profiling was at least partly involved given the big piece of evidence citing a resemblance to the suspect in question was a broad nose, you see? The officer clearly didn't want anyone to die, but it's less clear whether race played a role in the decision to make the stop. Racial profiling won't always be delivered on a platter. Just like bought politicians won't always be caught by showing a picture of them accepting a big bag with a dollar sign on it racial profiling isn't simply a matter of someone dispatching "This dude's black, so I'mma stop him."
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BlueOni wrote:


redokami wrote:

not really, they go hand in hand


This is one of those things that can only bear out after further interviews, but I'm not going to exclude the possibility that racial profiling was at least partly involved given the big piece of evidence citing a resemblance to the suspect in question was a broad nose, you see? The officer clearly didn't want anyone to die, but it's less clear whether race played a role in the decision to make the stop. Racial profiling won't always be delivered on a platter. Just like bought politicians won't always be caught by showing a picture of them accepting a big bag with a dollar sign on it racial profiling isn't simply a matter of someone dispatching "This dude's black, so I'mma stop him."


I see it simply like this
there was a robbery, that dude had a -larger- nose than most people so to speak
whites don't particularly have big noses as far as what was being compared
if I call the police and have to indentify someone, im going to say "he was black" or "he was white" and if I can only remember one more feature other than that, the nose ill say "well...uh..he / she had a big nose" that is simply the definition of how someone looks
int his case it was a -large- nose that -looked like- the suspect
it -just so happens- that it is a "stereotype" of black people having large noses



so tell me how you are supposed to describe someone without being "racist" or "racially profiling"


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