Post Reply For All The Flak Korra Gets For Its Ending....(Spoilers about A:TLA)
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I still can't comprehend Azula's breakdown on any level or what lead up to it. I can understand the reasoning, but I don't see why it would to someone like Azula to have a nervous breakdown.
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Do you mean after the battle she had with Zuko?

What I got from it was that it was a buildup of the suffering she went through all those years

Her own mother considered her a monster, even though she did love her. She was never truly loved, I guess, which is why she was so messed up.

The breakdown she had was pretty intense, but I don't think she's exactly mentally stable or ever was (I remember she was fine with her dad killing her grandfather or something)
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It was because when Katara momentarily froze her with "water", she accidentally sent some raw sewage into her bloodstream and eventually, brain. It was unusually concentrated, so it caused her to momentarily "speak in tongues", like people who drink water with lead in it do.
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-Dattebayo wrote:

Do you mean after the battle she had with Zuko?

What I got from it was that it was a buildup of the suffering she went through all those years

Her own mother considered her a monster, even though she did love her. She was never truly loved, I guess, which is why she was so messed up.

The breakdown she had was pretty intense, but I don't think she's exactly mentally stable or ever was (I remember she was fine with her dad killing her grandfather or something)


It's basically how I feel about certain super villains I tend to like. While they may be mentally ill, or perhaps suffering from a past that explains their actions, I always felt some of them were so stuck on something, whether it be Crane's (Scarecrow) obsession with fear or Killer Croc's misanthropy, that they aren't liable to being broken into a fit of tears. Rather, they're just really, really twisted, evil beings who aren't insane like The Joker or obsessed like the Riddler, but human beings abiding by their own logic.

Azula in particularly just struck as a particularly Darwinist imperialist type, and it really came at a surprise to see her mental state break down, as she is particularly confident in her abilities.

I just don't see Azula breaking down, and the more I rewatch avatar, the less I see of it. Heck, I think Korrasami had some prior notice.
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I thought this was rather cleverly crafted. It took a lot to bring Azula down inside, she held it all in, the entire time to keep her cool calculated self, and eventually it all had to burst. It took having her trust betrayed by her two closest "friends", and her father, the only one whose approval she looked for.

She was also so used to people being afraid of her, and it was hard to come to terms with Mai and Ty Lee standing up to her. What's worse, Mai stood up for Zuko, whom she viewed as a lesser being, so it wasn't just a betrayal, but an extra insult to her pride. Now she has no-one to be casually social with anymore, and isolation is a catalyst for insanity. I'm guessing these two are part of what held her together for a while. They were her backstage.

As far as her father goes, she was so used to being the one in control in all of her confrontations. She was able to remain collected because she knew the entire plan, most notably her performance during the eclipse. Ozai betrayed her tactically with the phoenix king announcement, not just as a family member, not that family meant much to him.

Being reminded of her mother at this point and how Ursa thought Azula was deranged served to anger her more and put in seeds of doubt.

So, maybe not entirely insane yet, but definitely angry and irrational at this point. The agni-kai with Zuko drove her even further off the deep end to see that her brother whom she was always better than, was now better than her, for a combination of reasons. He was level headed and objective minded, on top of having learned to fire-bend the proper way from dragons.

Her entire world was turned upside-down. Hard to see anyone keep it together.
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DoubleCrossFox wrote:

I thought this was rather cleverly crafted. It took a lot to bring Azula down inside, she held it all in, the entire time to keep her cool calculated self, and eventually it all had to burst. It took having her trust betrayed by her two closest "friends", and her father, the only one whose approval she looked for.

She was also so used to people being afraid of her, and it was hard to come to terms with Mai and Ty Lee standing up to her. What's worse, Mai stood up for Zuko, whom she viewed as a lesser being, so it wasn't just a betrayal, but an extra insult to her pride. Now she has no-one to be casually social with anymore, and isolation is a catalyst for insanity. I'm guessing these two are part of what held her together for a while. They were her backstage.

As far as her father goes, she was so used to being the one in control in all of her confrontations. She was able to remain collected because she knew the entire plan, most notably her performance during the eclipse. Ozai betrayed her tactically with the phoenix king announcement, not just as a family member, not that family meant much to him.

Being reminded of her mother at this point and how Ursa thought Azula was deranged served to anger her more and put in seeds of doubt.

So, maybe not entirely insane yet, but definitely angry and irrational at this point. The agni-kai with Zuko drove her even further off the deep end to see that her brother whom she was always better than, was now better than her, for a combination of reasons. He was level headed and objective minded, on top of having learned to fire-bend the proper way from dragons.

Her entire world was turned upside-down. Hard to see anyone keep it together.


+1

Pretty perfect explanation for the whole thing.

EDIT: Not to mention, setting her up for royalty only made that much more susceptible to paranoia anyways. The thing with the seeds in her fruit, for example...
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Azula was always crazy. She just didn't have a reason to feel paranoid until she was betrayed by the two people who she believed she would always control. After that there wasn't any important person by her side and she started lashing out at everyone.
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I never did like how extreme the twist was in her character. Like let's compare the supreme asshat in History, Hitler. Known for his Imperialism, his rage, and his hate. Someone pretty calm and confident in his abilities. He would have intense mood swings of the level where its a common internet meme decades later. Everyone he felt betrayed him. His country, his private guard, those he built his country with he considered his friends. And he was hopped up on medication. His decline came under the stress of the most terrifying war in history over the course of several years.

Avatar takes place within a year, having two friends betray you is a big matter, but do recall that when Azula first went adventuring she had to go summon her 'only two friends' from distant areas. She's used to not having them around.

The way I take it is that the resulting Azula we see was certainly a Possibility, based on who she was as a (bad) person. And the events that happened towards the end of that season could trigger such a decline. But the decline itself happened too fast. So people are right, Azula would wind up in this state eventually. But the writers had to make sure it coincided with the end of the TV series to help build the climax, so her losing her marbles also sets off flags because it happened too fast.

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Alot of fan and the voice actress for Azula says it;'s because she thinks Azula was in love with Ty Lee and her "love" betraying her was not something she handle.

I think it makes perfect sense that the two people she was closest too would make her already crazyness even more so that if her two best friends could betray her why wouldn't everyone else?
One just on them had betrayed her ok but both at the same time and for Zuko who their mother favored.
Azula was already crazy but all that built and basicially broke down the wall keeping it at bay.
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Well she behaved normally in the following episode, in which she shows up alone purely for combat. She's even okay when she was about to go with her Father on the world destroying finale. She was quite elated, actually. Then comes her paranoid purges. And it is during her purges she suggests her father was being bad for making her Fire Lord. the Dai Li agents were banished for being a couple minutes late to a summons. Literally we have the fight scene at the end of the boiling prison arc, the scene where she is betrayed (and clearly upset), the fight scene as the Air Temple where she is okay, the scene where she was about to embark with her father where she went from normal, to upset, to elated. Then the scene where she begins to purge people. First purging servants, her agents, then the old ladies. Then its the ghost of the mother where she ruins her hair. Clearly by this point she's gone. Coronation I think is the next scene?

8 appearances between showing up normal as can be fighting on the gondolas and begin a complete wreck of a human being. This is a matter of days apart. I'd have to go back and watch it, but the purges might've taken just the afternoon.

Her actions are believable, but not on the time scale provided. She's in a castle full of Yesmen and there wasn't even a party.
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I shipped Korrasami in season 1. Then season 2 drove every single character but Asami into the ground and I dropped the show. I've seen no indication that the characterization/writing recovered from season 2, and I would hate to see Asami lower herself to the sort of person Korra was in season 2.

Both series have a horrible case of protagonist-centered morality, where anything is okay as long as it's the Avatar doing it, and the Avatar is too good for character development... *shrug* I guess the franchise has its good points, but...
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