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Posted 7/13/16

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From what I notice, people are assholes. It does not matter if you're male or female. If you're female, they'll probably throw sexist insults, but that's only because they know it'll piss you off or hurt you. They usually don't care that you're male or female, they only care about what you react most to. So from this standpoint, it's not exactly a gendered issue.


I guess I can understand this. Racist and sexist things do hurt, but doesn't necessarily imply a mindset if you consider the circumstances.
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Posted 7/13/16 , edited 7/13/16

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The first part seems more like a redirection that says "women are sexist too". I'm not trying to single out men for sexism. :/ Though I guess you may have a point, but that wasn't what I was trying to say.

Ah, and I see your second part. Hmmmm.... I guess I was trying to peg a label on him.


I think you missed the point on the first though. Women and men are going to be more critical of each others physical appearance. Not because of sexism, but because of biological imperatives to...well...fuck one another.

You're not going to tell me I'm sexist for criticizing a woman's hair choice and ignoring the man next to her would you? You would be assuming that I'm 'poorly' discriminating when really it might be because I'm evaluating her for being a potential mate choice.

People can have 'high standards' or be considered 'shallow' when it comes to criticizing the opposite sex, but that doesn't make them sexist.

I think you're forgetting physical attraction completely here. Of course men and women aren't going to look at each other the same way.

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Posted 7/13/16 , edited 7/13/16

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I think you missed the point on the first though.
even if he misses first base, is he still able to get a homerun?

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:
The first part seems more like a redirection that says "women are sexist too". I'm not trying to single out men for sexism. :/ Though I guess you may have a point, but that wasn't what I was trying to say.

Ah, and I see your second part. Hmmmm.... I guess I was trying to peg a label on him.


I think you missed the point on the first though. Women and men are going to be more critical of each others physical appearance. Not because of sexism, but because of biological imperatives to...well...fuck one another.

You're not going to tell me I'm sexist for criticizing a woman's hair choice and ignoring the man next to her would you? You would be assuming that I'm 'poorly' discriminating when really it might be because I'm evaluating her for being a potential mate choice.

People can have 'high standards' or be considered 'shallow' when it comes to criticizing the opposite sex, but that doesn't make them sexist.

I think you're forgetting physical attraction completely here. Of course men and women aren't going to look at each other the same way.



Ah, I see. I guess that is right, though I think it can be argued that when we let our sexual desires take control of the helm to the point that anyone not in our periphery of being considered attractive they are somehow worth less in comparison, or worst yet, making a big deal about their appearance when that is besides the case, that it may be considered latent sexism. Hmmm, then again....
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Posted 7/13/16 , edited 7/13/16

PeripheralVisionary wrote:
Ah, I see. I guess that is right, though I think it can be argued that when we let our sexual desires take control of the helm to the point that anyone not in our periphery of being considered attractive they are somehow worth less in comparison, or worst yet, making a big deal about their appearance when that is besides the case, that it may be considered latent sexism. Hmmm, then again....


Relying on assumptions is a bad idea. What is important are harmful discriminatory practices (not thoughts) in places they are deemed inappropriate (ex. where equality is assured: workplace, education, law etc.).

If someone is avoiding an argument by focusing on appearance, it doesn't dictate he/she is a sexist, they likely just have a shitty argument.

You can't police people's thoughts. You will make mistakes.



This is why we have the logical fallacy of 'Appeal to Motive'.
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Posted 7/13/16 , edited 7/13/16

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:
Ah, I see. I guess that is right, though I think it can be argued that when we let our sexual desires take control of the helm to the point that anyone not in our periphery of being considered attractive they are somehow worth less in comparison, or worst yet, making a big deal about their appearance when that is besides the case, that it may be considered latent sexism. Hmmm, then again....


Relying on assumptions is a bad idea. What is important are harmful discriminatory practices (not thoughts) in places they are deemed inappropriate (ex. where equality is assured: workplace, education, law etc.).

If someone is avoiding an argument by focusing on appearance, it doesn't dictate he/she is a sexist, they likely just have a shitty argument.

You can't police people's thoughts. You will make mistakes.



This is why we have the logical fallacy of 'Appeal to Motive'.


Oh, that makes sense now.

Edit: I think I was more along the lines of defining what makes someone sexist and applying that to an act and a person's mindset. Few people proclaim they're sexist.
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Posted 7/13/16 , edited 7/13/16
I think that if an individual is looking to insult someone, different words will be chosen based on what they know about the person they are insulting (which includes their gender). I don't think that is sexist (although the definition of sexism doesn't seem to be as concrete as I would like). However, I think if you are in a position where you are insulting a woman where you would not be insulting a man, that has the potential to be sexist.
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It's actually difficult to proclaim someone a sexist (or even racist) just by assuming it based on action since you don't really know their mindset behind why they do what they do.
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Would you make a comment about a man being unattractive, particularly if it has nothing to do with the topic at hand?

No you wouldn't. Because it's irrelevant and pointless.
So why does making the question be about a women somehow make it a valid question in your mind?
Sexist and rather crass.
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Posted 7/13/16 , edited 7/13/16

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Would you make a comment about a man being unattractive, particularly if it has nothing to do with the topic at hand?

No you wouldn't. Because it's irrelevant and pointless.
So why does making the question be about a women somehow make it a valid question in your mind?
Sexist and rather crass.


I think the fact that you're assuming I wouldn't make it about men to be presumptive. In other words, just as I am guilty of it, you are too. Hence why it is called "appeal to motive". Cause you're not a fucking mind reader. Cause you can't judge another person's action based on what people of similar mindsets do and be right 100% of the time.
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Posted 7/13/16 , edited 7/13/16
I CAME FROM TUMBLER TO SAY YOU ARE ALL SEXIST CIS SCUM.
But no, on a serious note I don't think it is.
Posted 7/13/16 , edited 7/13/16
Only if that person means that a woman's worth is determined by their appearance solely because they are female. If the insult comes out of nowhere it could be sexist, but it could also just show that the other person is petty and unoriginal.

Really though, it's not like the person calling a chick ugly is going to explain what they mean when they call a woman a ugly. I hate when people jump to conclusions and scream "sexist" and "racist." If someone calls someone else ugly, they probably just mean ugly.
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My initial thought was no. Upon reading the thread, I've decided it depends on what their reason for calling them ugly was. Either way, the person who calls someone ugly just to hurt them or because they couldn't come up with a comeback lacks respect.
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Posted 7/13/16

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It's ridiculous to try and say that these "acts against men" are just as bad as how women are treated due to the body language that everyone uses to convey any feelings that they have at any give time regardless of gender. There's a difference between not liking someone's appearance and actually saying it out loud.


Yeah, in general women are far superior for talking shit behind people's backs instead.

Lmao. Fuck dude. If that's your crowd stick with it. Just don't spray your garbage with the scent of flowers.




You'll note that I never said that women were any different than men regarding this. I just said that this is targeted towards women more than men.
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You'll note that I never said that women were any different than men regarding this. I just said that this is targeted towards women more than men.


I'm saying it's not.



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