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anybody who has followed any sort of batman media for the most part whether it be comics, TV shows, movies, games etc. know that batman has a single rule: don't kill anybody. However, does anybody wonder why he has that rule besides to give himself a sort of moral edge over the people he fights? Well, I have a theory. Initially, Bruce Wayne might have wanted to fight crime as a way of avenging his parents death. Being as well trained and potentially lethal as batman is, common street thugs wouldn't be any sort of obstacle or opponent to him. So, I'm sure that he gets a little bored once in a while of fighting common criminals. These types of street thugs aren't challenging and they barely have to make him think. Now, enter in villains such as Mr. freeze, bane, the joker, poison ivy, etc. Anybody ever wonder why Bruce never considers giving up being batman? He could just decide one day that he has done enough for the city and make peace with his parent's death. He never does though. Why? because he enjoys fighting crime and villains such as the joker help bring out the best in him. Batman secretly takes joy in trumping powerful opponents and using his skills to utterly foil every scheme they ever do. He constantly puts supervillans in arkham even though many of them always end up escaping at some point. He will never kill his opponent, but he has no problem brutally maiming them or scarring them in some way. He does this so that he can take pleasure in their defeat and always have a steady supply of people to fight at all times. Without villains to fight, Bruce has to take over his family's company, which he has no interest in, and live a boring and mundane life. Bruce Wayne likes being batman because it keeps him entertained and keeps him challenged and active. imagined how bored you might be if you were one of the smartest and most effective fighters in the world and nobody ever challenged you in any way. That is batman's situation. If he wanted to, he could have gotten rid of most of the criminals he encounters the first time he meets them, but he never does. The joker could wipe out half of Gotham, murder all of Bruce's friends and family, kill a room full of babies, and rape Bruce's girlfriend right in front of him and batman would never kill him. If he ever does, it is when those extremes and even more are met and it is most likely by accident. Without villains to fight, batman no longer has reason to live. So, if fighting crime is that important to him, then it would make sense that he keeps a large enough amount of villains around so that he has reason to put on the cowl.
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I recall reading that Batman hates guns, considering what happened to his parents. And while Batman very rarely kills, he has left villains to die by other means, take for example Ra's all Ghul in "Batman Begins" where he leaves him trapped in a train that falls and explodes.


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Early Batman had no problem not bringing them in alive. That all changed in the 1950's with the comics code authority. Think of it as a more strict esrb system.
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Yes. I thought it was the Comics Code Authority, ruled by the sinister deathlord Archie, who enslaved the comics world in the 50s and took away Batman's fully autobatic pistol. A status that remained until a new leader arose and cast off the chains of tyranny, leading to the Golden Age of comics.
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gornotck wrote:

Yes. I thought it was the Comics Code Authority, ruled by the sinister deathlord Archie, who enslaved the comics world in the 50s and took away Batman's fully autobatic pistol. A status that remained until a new leader arose and cast off the chains of tyranny, leading to the Golden Age of comics.


Golden Age sucked. Then again silver age writers were idiotic.

Batman is a murdere or have you not seen Dawn of Justice or played Arkham Knight dude murders everyone.

However he says in Red Hood he doesn't kill anyone because it'll be too easy and once he starts he'll never stop and end up killing every villian he comes across.
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gornotck wrote:

Yes. I thought it was the Comics Code Authority, ruled by the sinister deathlord Archie, who enslaved the comics world in the 50s and took away Batman's fully autobatic pistol. A status that remained until a new leader arose and cast off the chains of tyranny, leading to the Golden Age of comics.


Golden Age sucked. Then again silver age writers were idiotic.

Batman is a murdere or have you not seen Dawn of Justice or played Arkham Knight dude murders everyone.

However he says in Red Hood he doesn't kill anyone because it'll be too easy and once he starts he'll never stop and end up killing every villian he comes across.


The Comics' Code was a travesty and changed way too many characters. Batman was definitely one. DC had The Shadow at the same time and even his 2 .45s were of no use what-so-ever due to the CC. It's why many of us were happy when DC released The Joker, Secret-Society of Super-villains and Kobra. They were like a big "screw you" to the CC. Comics with villains in the lead and beating the heroes was a definite no-no when it came to the CC.

While I'd agree with you on a lot of Silver Age writers there were some amazing standouts during the late 60s early 70s that surpass most of what we get today. The Detective/Batman run by Archie Goodwin/Walt Simonson including Paul Kirk Manhunter, Talia, RaS and the League of Assassins was nothing short of phenomenal. Denny O'Neil/Neal Adams' Green Lantern/Green Arrow could've been some of the most realistic writing ever dealing just as much with street crime as super-villains. Chris Claremont/Len Wein's early X-Men run was just great introducing us to The Reavers, The Hellfire Club and the line-up of X-Men which became a household name. Martin Pasko/Pablo Marcos' Kobra series may have been comics first attempt at a story dealing exclusively with International terrorism. These are just some of the standouts to me in the silver age. The Demon, New Gods, Secret Society of Super-villains, The Joker, Defenders, Invaders, Dr, Strange, Iron Fist, Shang-chi Master of Kung Fi, Tomb of Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, Werewolf by Night, Man-thing/Adventures into Fear/Morbius, Nick Fury Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., there were many standout titles that were being written well and quite realistically.

The Comics' Code was a travesty and changed way too many characters. Batman was definitely one. DC had The Shadow at the same time and even his 2 .45s were of no use what-so-ever.
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Don't think I could ever forgive Silver-Age writers for retconing Gwen Stacey into a slut that slept with Normon Osbourn just because they didn't want Peter Parker to seem more adult with kids. There are few things I won't accept like what they did to Startfire inRed Hood and The Outlaws and making Grayson cheat on her the night before their wedding, but nothing cuts as deep as retconning Gwen Stacey to the point that is one thing I will never accept many fans of Spiderman comics don't even consider it canon.
Fuck the editors that did that to her. What gets me is Straczynski the writer hated it and despised it for years and wanted to at least retcon it in the horrible One More Day storyline and he wasn't allowed to yet again which is one of the reasons he left Marvel.
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Don't think I could ever forgive Silver-Age writers for retconing Gwen Stacey into a slut that slept with Normon Osbourn just because they didn't want Peter Parker to seem more adult with kids. There are few things I won't accept like what they did to Startfire inRed Hood and The Outlaws and making Grayson cheat on her the night before their wedding, but nothing cuts as deep as retconning Gwen Stacey to the point that is one thing I will never accept many fans of Spiderman comics don't even consider it canon.
Fuck the editors that did that to her. What gets me is Straczynski the writer hated it and despised it for years and wanted to at least retcon it in the horrible One More Day storyline and he wasn't allowed to yet again which is one of the reasons he left Marvel.


Oh no no no I can see why we're both confused here what you're referring to is the Modern Age. The Golden Age is pre 60s, the Silver Age is 60s and 70s, the Bronze Age starts in the 70s but ends in the mid-80s, what you're describing is referred to as the Modern Age.

Much about the Modern Age disgusts me including most Spider-man storylines. I remember Marvel's overuse of divorce as a plot element; Hawkeye/Mockingbird, Peter/MJ, Vision/Scarlet Witch, Wasp/Yellowjacket, Storm/Black Panther, Hulk/Betty, Rick Jones/Margo, Quicksilver/Crystal, Johnny Storm/Alicia had to be the worst of the lot (she was a skrull in disguise all the time). For me, what disgusted me the most was every time they announced a super-hero replacement that ended up being reverted to the status quo. I loved the idea of a new Captain America taking over with Steve taking on a new role. I loved the idea of Dick becoming a new Batman with Bruce taking on the role he played on Batman Beyond. I liked the rise of the 4 Superman replacements. They added a freshness and sense of progression like when DC replaced the JSA heroes in the 60s with modern counterparts such as Ray Palmer, Barry Allen and Hal Jordan. I loved seeing the Titans step up and become Justice League members (unfortunately that one didn't last too long).

J. Michael Straczynski is a writing genius. I loves his run ofn JSA.
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He doesn't want the government to kill him.
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neugenx wrote:


Kerst wrote:



Don't think I could ever forgive Silver-Age writers for retconing Gwen Stacey into a slut that slept with Normon Osbourn just because they didn't want Peter Parker to seem more adult with kids. There are few things I won't accept like what they did to Startfire inRed Hood and The Outlaws and making Grayson cheat on her the night before their wedding, but nothing cuts as deep as retconning Gwen Stacey to the point that is one thing I will never accept many fans of Spiderman comics don't even consider it canon.
Fuck the editors that did that to her. What gets me is Straczynski the writer hated it and despised it for years and wanted to at least retcon it in the horrible One More Day storyline and he wasn't allowed to yet again which is one of the reasons he left Marvel.


Oh no no no I can see why we're both confused here what you're referring to is the Modern Age. The Golden Age is pre 60s, the Silver Age is 60s and 70s, the Bronze Age starts in the 70s but ends in the mid-80s, what you're describing is referred to as the Modern Age.

Much about the Modern Age disgusts me including most Spider-man storylines. I remember Marvel's overuse of divorce as a plot element; Hawkeye/Mockingbird, Peter/MJ, Vision/Scarlet Witch, Wasp/Yellowjacket, Storm/Black Panther, Hulk/Betty, Rick Jones/Margo, Quicksilver/Crystal, Johnny Storm/Alicia had to be the worst of the lot (she was a skrull in disguise all the time). For me, what disgusted me the most was every time they announced a super-hero replacement that ended up being reverted to the status quo. I loved the idea of a new Captain America taking over with Steve taking on a new role. I loved the idea of Dick becoming a new Batman with Bruce taking on the role he played on Batman Beyond. I liked the rise of the 4 Superman replacements. They added a freshness and sense of progression like when DC replaced the JSA heroes in the 60s with modern counterparts such as Ray Palmer, Barry Allen and Hal Jordan. I loved seeing the Titans step up and become Justice League members (unfortunately that one didn't last too long).

J. Michael Straczynski is a writing genius. I loves his run ofn JSA.


Yeh I still not a fan of the golden age and have alot of problem with the silver-age but yeh my rant did go into the modern age which is traesty alot of the time. At this time I really can't see who's worse in terms of comics MArvel or D.C I would give it to D.C. being the worst with simple things like Red Hood, Saying Teen Titans didn't happen (they were my favorite team!), and one of the most insulting I think is Harley Quinn, I love Harley Quinn (who doesn't?) but having the Joker tell her she's worthless and not his Harley and he's had hundreds of Harley ugh my god it's atrocious and then to needlessly strong push of Ivy lesbianism towards Harley yes yes we all know Harley is bi-sexual and has been with Ivy but for them to push it so god damn hard in her own serious is just so badly done. This is a common decision with D.C. to just destroy everything since they decided The New 52 almost killing of Dick Grayson so that he will never ever comeback (Fucking final crisis) (Nightwing favorite hero btw) and I did like that he was the only one capable to become the new Batman and the writing there was good especially because it even gave more towards Grayson and K'oris relationship which was very endearing until bam 52 says fuck it all she's a slut now and she's sleeps with people not based on feelings which totally changes everything she's ever said before.
Sorry for the rant I agree though Straczynski was amazing it's jsut too bad the woost thing about Spider-man he wanted to prevent but the editiors wouldn't let him.
When it comes to comics I usually go on rant about how much Damage the Modern Age has done to a character I had a attachment since I was little like Gwen Stacey but now that I'm older its still irritating and hard to not see how bad it's always been if I sat here and thought about the Silver-Age I could find so many horrible things. Even though with all of MArvel's shit I find D.C. to be worst culprit but only barely in The Silver-Age now it seems like Marvel and D.C. have a on going dare at who can be worse.
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Yeh I still not a fan of the golden age and have alot of problem with the silver-age but yeh my rant did go into the modern age which is traesty alot of the time. At this time I really can't see who's worse in terms of comics MArvel or D.C I would give it to D.C. being the worst with simple things like Red Hood, Saying Teen Titans didn't happen (they were my favorite team!), and one of the most insulting I think is Harley Quinn, I love Harley Quinn (who doesn't?) but having the Joker tell her she's worthless and not his Harley and he's had hundreds of Harley ugh my god it's atrocious and then to needlessly strong push of Ivy lesbianism towards Harley yes yes we all know Harley is bi-sexual and has been with Ivy but for them to push it so god damn hard in her own serious is just so badly done. This is a common decision with D.C. to just destroy everything since they decided The New 52 almost killing of Dick Grayson so that he will never ever comeback (Fucking final crisis) (Nightwing favorite hero btw) and I did like that he was the only one capable to become the new Batman and the writing there was good especially because it even gave more towards Grayson and K'oris relationship which was very endearing until bam 52 says fuck it all she's a slut now and she's sleeps with people not based on feelings which totally changes everything she's ever said before.
Sorry for the rant I agree though Straczynski was amazing it's jsut too bad the woost thing about Spider-man he wanted to prevent but the editiors wouldn't let him.
When it comes to comics I usually go on rant about how much Damage the Modern Age has done to a character I had a attachment since I was little like Gwen Stacey but now that I'm older its still irritating and hard to not see how bad it's always been if I sat here and thought about the Silver-Age I could find so many horrible things. Even though with all of MArvel's shit I find D.C. to be worst culprit but only barely in The Silver-Age now it seems like Marvel and D.C. have a on going dare at who can be worse.


I agree with you fully on pretty much everything. I'm glad though that with Rebirth the Titans are back (Nightwing, Arsenal, Lilith, Garth, etc) though. So far it's looking pretty good. It could just be the second best thing coming out of Rebirth (the return of the JSA is the first for me). For me the worst were Image/Marvel Heroes Reborn and Spider-man (Clone Saga and Brand New Day) though.
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For Batman's character I think it has to do with his past and personal issues. For instance not wanting to kill because he's be the same as the guy that murdered his parents. Also the need for revenge, if he crosses that line he may become something else if he gives into temptation, like a drug. Basically I believe he doesn't kill because it's his way of making sure his demons don't come out, hard part about fighting monsters is not becoming one.
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