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http://louderwithcrowder.com/criminal-robs-gun-free-waffle-house-cc-saves-day/#.V4osyqko7qA


About 2:30 a.m. Thursday, police were called to the Waffle House in the 1500 block of North Beckley Avenue, where they found a man shot in the parking lot. Customers told police that the man had come into the restaurant, armed with an AK-47, and robbed numerous people as well as the business.

One customer, who was legally carrying a concealed handgun, followed the robber into the parking lot… The customer called out to the robber, who turned and pointed the rifle at him, police said. The customer then shot the robber several times.







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Doesn't virtually every security expert say that engaging someone who has a gun should be avoided unless its the very last resort? And that escalating the scenario is probably significantly more dangerous than the alternative (calling the cops when you are in a safe position)?

While its good that this situation turned out for the best, it could have easily gone bad...
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That was very nice of the customer to call out to the robber and risk getting killed. I would've just shot him in the back.
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C-Tundra wrote:

That was very nice of the customer to call out to the robber and risk getting killed. I would've just shot him in the back.


And probably have gone to jail.
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self defense, he point an AK you got a minor caliber weapon, with legal papers.
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The 2014 Moncton shootings were a string of shootings that took place on June 4, 2014, in Moncton, in the Canadian province of New Brunswick. Justin Bourque, a 24-year-old from Moncton, shot five officers from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), killing three and severely injuring two.[6] A manhunt for Bourque was launched and continued overnight and into June 5. On June 6, Bourque was found and taken into custody, ending a manhunt that lasted over 28 hours.[4][7] The shooting was the deadliest attack on the RCMP since the Mayerthorpe tragedy in 2005 that left four RCMP officers dead, and also Moncton's first homicide since 2010.

They had guns.. and a single nut with a relatively high powered rifle and a shotgun managed to kill three trained, armed men and wound two more. Their guns were of no deterrence.

In dallas texas... a single armed man with an assault rifle opened fire from a crowd killing 5 officers... there were many other armed individuals that had guns (non officers) and it took a robot dropping a bomb off at the persons feet to take him out.

All guns do is escalate the situation.

This situation only shows criminals there is merit in leaving no one to shoot back.
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sundin13 wrote:


C-Tundra wrote:

That was very nice of the customer to call out to the robber and risk getting killed. I would've just shot him in the back.


And probably have gone to jail.


Not where I live. They would have given you a medal and standing ovation at the local NRA dinner. Haruhi bless you, Kentucky.

But really, what the guy did was probably the safe thing to do. If he told the gunman to drop his weapon (that would be calling out) and the gunman did not no jury in my state would convict the CC guy. The gunman was assaulting people with an assault rifle (threatening people with a weapon is assault) and he may have actually tried to shoot someone. Who knows when the police would have arrived? In that time period he could have killed several people. And in the wake of recent tragedies I would not take my chances on the mercy of someone with an AK-47 that is threatening people.
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Where were the police in this town, at the beach getting a tan?
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Where were the police in this town, at the beach getting a tan?


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https://youtu.be/1crhwQPKr7w

I wonder what kind of AK he had
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Not where I live. They would have given you a medal and standing ovation at the local NRA dinner. Haruhi bless you, Kentucky.

But really, what the guy did was probably the safe thing to do. If he told the gunman to drop his weapon (that would be calling out) and the gunman did not no jury in my state would convict the CC guy. The gunman was assaulting people with an assault rifle (threatening people with a weapon is assault) and he may have actually tried to shoot someone. Who knows when the police would have arrived? In that time period he could have killed several people. And in the wake of recent tragedies I would not take my chances on the mercy of someone with an AK-47 that is threatening people.


According to the story, the gunman had already left the premises and was currently leaving. There was no imminent danger to anyone. Now the guy was completely in his rights to shoot him after he presented a thread (which is what happened). However, if you shot the man while he was walking away, posing no imminent threat that would not be justified.

However, as the situation had already ended and the man decided to pursue the robber, he invoked additional risk. He did not break the law, but he did invite additional risk which is not something that would be encouraged by pretty much any security professional.
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sundin13 wrote:

Doesn't virtually every security expert say that engaging someone who has a gun should be avoided unless its the very last resort? And that escalating the scenario is probably significantly more dangerous than the alternative (calling the cops when you are in a safe position)?

While its good that this situation turned out for the best, it could have easily gone bad...


The guy put himself at risk to prevent everyone's shit from being stolen. Not the safest or wisest decision but a decision that was brave as fuck.



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The 2014 Moncton shootings were a string of shootings that took place on June 4, 2014, in Moncton, in the Canadian province of New Brunswick. Justin Bourque, a 24-year-old from Moncton, shot five officers from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), killing three and severely injuring two.[6] A manhunt for Bourque was launched and continued overnight and into June 5. On June 6, Bourque was found and taken into custody, ending a manhunt that lasted over 28 hours.[4][7] The shooting was the deadliest attack on the RCMP since the Mayerthorpe tragedy in 2005 that left four RCMP officers dead, and also Moncton's first homicide since 2010.

They had guns.. and a single nut with a relatively high powered rifle and a shotgun managed to kill three trained, armed men and wound two more. Their guns were of no deterrence.

In dallas texas... a single armed man with an assault rifle opened fire from a crowd killing 5 officers... there were many other armed individuals that had guns (non officers) and it took a robot dropping a bomb off at the persons feet to take him out.

All guns do is escalate the situation.

This situation only shows criminals there is merit in leaving no one to shoot back.

It's also illegal for cartel members to own guns down in Mexico. I hear Mexico is such a safe place that people are immigrating from there right now!
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( immigrating is coming in, emigrating is leaving..)
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rinrakuu wrote:

( immigrating is coming in, emigrating is leaving..)


Ya? And? They are coming into my country.
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correct: emigrating from there(mexico) (to) (America)
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