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Posted 7/17/16
We should all meet in Kansas and fight until only one person is left standing.
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aeb0717 wrote:

There should be. Personally, I think that any country only having one civil war is unnatural, given the tumultuous histories of, well, everywhere else. Civil wars, rebellions, etc... are very normal events for any given nation. Ever since my first Social Studies class in middle school, the USA's overall lack of internal strife has struck me as odd.


Well part of that is our emphasis on freedom. Basically regardless of how much the government has screwed people over and no matter how much some people hate them they also give people just enough freedom to where they are generally satisfied.

Civil War doesn't just mean turning against the government it means risking your home, family, and life. So since the U.S. still grants so much freedom to it's people they are able to live in peace as long as they don't start sturing up conflict and most people aren't willing to give up taht peacful life no matter how much they may dislike the government.


The countries where civil wars are common tend to either have a MUCH more controlling government or they have something they desire enough to throw away their peaceful lives for.

Speaking of which that is the other reason for the lack of civil wars. While this may not be true to every individual there is no group of people in the U.S. who value anything enough to give up their current life style for. Even for the poor people while they want to climb up and afford better living they are still able to live in relative peace and they don't want to lose that.



BTW it's not that people never TRY to start civil wars or rebellions in the US. You will occasional hear about small rebel groups or crazy people causing problems here or there. But none of them have enough man power or resources to matter and honestly even most of them know it. But I guess they have their reasons for choosing such a path anyway.
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Posted 7/17/16 , edited 7/17/16

Metazoxan wrote:

nope. Completely impossible. Or at least not a civil war in the sense of two equal sides. If it comes down to it the government honestly has enough fire power and connections with foreign countries that it could put down any uprising among the people and despite all the infighting between political powers they won't resort to actually splitting the nation.

Now there is a chance of some people trying to actually start up a real rebellion but again it would just fail in the end as the government already holds far too much power to be resisted through force.

To put it another way the part of the constitution that gives us the right to bear arms even against the government is nothing more than an empty promise at this point as we have no way to legitimately protect that right.


I would not say that is entirely true, in a lot of ways. I served in the Marines for a time and now am Army, My roommate is Prior Service in the Marines and is now Navy and we both have Recon training and more. in saying that I know thousand of prior service members and current active duty who share the same mindset, from a pvt to General. You fail to understand how many US armories(that store gear) are situated around, hell there are National Guard Armories in each state and county that store weapons and there are a lot of people who work on them who are of the same mindset.

it would be pretty easy to just walk on or take over the armories and take the gear, the closest one to me is within 5 miles and stores armored humvies, 200 thousand rounds of ammo and 50 cals, for being the smallest in the state and its not even guarded. I even have a secret security clearance and for my MOS and Prior MOS which deals with explosives, missile guidance systems, mortars, arty, Machineguns, communications, encoding and decoding, and ammo. So I can access a lot of interesting and cool stuff, 13F and 0331 which is Fire Support Specialist and Machine gunner.

what I am saying is there are people like me willing to side with the people who have access and the knowledge to make it a pretty equal war. does that mean I want a civil war to happen? hell no, it will be a war in our backyard with thousands of innocents being caught in the line of fire and other horrid things.
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Posted 7/17/16
I see the union falling before that happens.
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Posted 7/17/16
Would rather have a zombie apocalypse honestly
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Posted 7/17/16 , edited 3/5/17

gsm642 wrote:

The news should just be renamed to what's wrong with people.




i have tears in my eyes oh my gosh

but i mean you're right, so perfectly right
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Posted 7/17/16 , edited 3/5/17

aeb0717 wrote:
Ever since my first Social Studies class in middle school, the USA's overall lack of internal strife has struck me as odd.

Isn't that explained by Turner's frontier thesis?
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Posted 7/17/16 , edited 3/5/17
I see a second civil war as increasingly probable. There are large sections of the country that are feeling increasingly persecuted by a government that is increasingly elitist, opaque, beholden to special interests, and deaf to the concerns of the common man or even takes delight in escalating their persecution. Their concerns are laughed at and denigrated as racist and bigoted by the government. I am not saying they are right, but they do have a point. And they are angry and they are mobilizing as evidence by the support Trump and to a lesser extent Sanders garnered in the recent election. They are seeing their government be taken away from them by corporations, lawyers and judges, and most of all an unaccountable bureaucracy.

To people who say that a Second Civil War would be doomed to failure, the majority of the US military is drawn from these same groups that feel persecuted. These states have more than enough military bases and equipment in them to launch a war, if not win it.

You could say the US government could call in allies. I would ask how are they going to get here? You know who brings the NATO troops to Afghanistan or Iraq? The US. If there was a Second Civil War there would be little direct outside interference by geographic and logistical reality.

I am not advocating an uprising, but I am saying it is possible and it could get very messy really fast. I am saying that this is something that should be avoided but the government seems to be actively antagonizing people. And if it does happen I will be one of the first people to say 'What did you expect would happen?'. What needs to happen is dialogue and compromise because even though the supposed enlightened left seems to think that the American right is just racist and bigoted needs to wake and realize that they do have legitimate concerns.
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Posted 10/19/16 , edited 3/5/17
Question seems pretty real now...
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Posted 10/19/16 , edited 3/5/17
i wouldnt mind another one
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Posted 3/4/17 , edited 3/5/17
Okay so post-election my thoughts are yeah, eventually. Conservatives finally have a backbone and liberals won't but. This partisan hatred has finally trickled down into their voter base. If a war were to break out it'd be the quickest in history for obvious reasons.
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Posted 3/4/17 , edited 3/5/17
i quit watching the news.
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Posted 3/4/17 , edited 3/5/17
The U.S doesn't "lack" internal strife, it just manages it differently.

The big scare for me was when I realized Obama really wanted a civil war, or at least a constitutional convention. He pretty much openly encouraged a couple groups to violent rebellion while treating others like criminals.

As for now? the press is egging on Hate Trump Now! type groups and deliberately distributing knowably false news about him. They haven't YET figured out that he's totally skipped past them. His voters don't listen to them any more.

Civil war? hard to say. The press is pretty obviously n favor of ousting Trump. I don't know if they can whip enough leftists into a frenzy to do it though.
Posted 3/4/17 , edited 3/5/17
I don't think we will have one our countries been in a few shitty placed but I can see war with Russia before a civil war
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Posted 3/4/17 , edited 3/5/17
It's exceptionally unlikely. As unlike in the years before the civil war, there is no easy way to geographically divide the nation between the two sides. A look at a county level political heat map shows that there are no red or blue states. In general, large cities vote for Democrats, and their suburbs as well as the surrounding countryside vote for Republicans. New Orleans and Dallas generally vote democrats, despite being in red states. So while the nation is highly divided, no state is imbalanced enough to either side to leave the union. Even California, has a large Republican base in its northern half.
A revolution, coup , or assassination are far more real threats going forward.
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