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A revolution, coup , or assassination are far more real threats going forward.


If any of those happen there would likely be much more violence I would imagine.
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no civil war. an uprising, yeah. some kind of revolution that leads to martial law for a very long time is more than likely.
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Looking closer at how things are going here in the US I would say a Military Coup is the most likely outcome. I can't relly see how a civil war would work as pro-trump and anti-trump people live in the same states and there is not as clear of a dividing line like the first Civil war. I do think you could see some states split apart based on political leanings in different parts of current states.
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Looking at the county level political heat map shows it wouldn't necessarily be a fight between states but rather a fight between rural and urban centers, in which case the military itself I would say would be divided into who from the cities care to follow their mayors who wish to become something akin to a city-state. Battle lines wouldn't be pretty, more like hotspots blotting the map of the USA,

The cities are centered around great dispersal of economic and convenience, so any armories housed there would give the cities track to fight back any outside attempts to gain them back. however, the cities would be subject to easy siege as the rural populations would be hard pressed to help, from their point of view (assumption), the cities that ignore their concerns. That said, the rural populations would be restricted to what they have on hand: tractors, hunting rifles, odd military cache, preppers, redneck flamethrowers, and so on. They would be able to mostly subsist on their lifestyle allowing for a long war, though not one of resources,

The urban centers would also be hard pressed to expand in any meaningful way. Though they would own the highway hubs, they wouldn't know the countryside, and partisan warfare would probably reign supreme against an organized force unfamiliar with the locales. Urbanites drive through rural lands for road trips and what not, but how many truly work the lands and know the environments is more than likely a very small number. Not to mention there would be those in the cities, having a concentration of literally millions, that would support the rural populations, and that would be inclined to look for self first as they suffer daily anyways as crime/homelessness/drugs etc. rule their pre-civil war lifestyle.

All this being said, it would fall on whomever is in charge of the US at the time as to who ends up being the "fault" of the war, if one could happen. Military may generally be believed to be one sided, but I believe this discounts all the various NG units that each state has, and whose loyalty they owe themselves to is a mystery to me, as I only hear from veterans of the federal military. Not to mention the Military houses people from all walks of life. As Robert E. Lee said to his fellows, he followed his great state of Virginia rather command the entirety of the Union as that was his true home, not any real belief in the Confederate cause.

If the presidency determines the enemy is the urban centers, the federal military would be hard pressed to put down such an insurrection without losing the morale to fight. These wouldn't be house to house fighting, we'd be talking Megalopolis fighting, scales of which would make Fallujah small in comparison, add to that that these federals are fighting fellow americans would have the Military stand itself down leaving a small fraction able to fight. If the presidency is of the opposite side and determines that the rural population is the enemy and the military is posted to stop their insurrection, it would become a large scale rebellion that would never end. Vietnam, Taliban, and the current wars we have show the scale of small partisan rebellion, multiply this to the size of the USA and it would become a nightmare. The USA would be a literal occupier of its own home territory.

But as was said before in this thread, the bigger occupational hazard is less a civil war, but rather an assassination or internal coup. Currently jousting for position are members from several factions trying to kick each other out before anyone has truly settled into running the USG. Could be "Deep State" trying to unseat elected officials, maybe Bannon is truly the secret president and is running a pogrom to silence opposition, perhaps it is Russian spies who have waited until an election to act, would even speaking of people that believe feelings are worth saving despite the silencing of fact trying to save us all, then how about the deciders that believe they are judge before any evidence is brought as all are guilty by accusation and association, or maybe it's well meaning folk who think "punching a nazi" is the same as saving the earth, despite the fact National Socialism has not been properly seen since 1945.

It may not be a war with guns, and that more than likely will not happen (much as some of us think it would help clear the air), but there is a secret war going on, for the minds, the hearts, and the souls of the American public, and the control of the American Government.
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Haha there isn't a big enough of a section of any piece of America that's united in thinking to start one


....and those militias out in the boonies don't count
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we better have a war, I didn't stock pile weapons and ammo just to sit in my closet.
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There will be a lot of Aleppos if the government backs red counties. Which means a lot of cut power, cut water and being cut off from food and aid. If that's the case it would be the shortest war in history considering who the belligerents are.
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If we're taking about the near future then it is unlikely, the government will not allow it to happen because the risks are too great.
There might be more protest, but for it to turn into war would be a huge stetch. And what exactly would people be fighting for if war does break out? Do most Americans even want to go to war on their own soil?
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I doubt, People are pansys in this country so hell no.
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I don't think I've seen the USA in such social turmoil since the late 60s.

Not just the cliche rich /poor, white/ minorities, gun /no gun but much more divisive until there is so many antagonistic "i'm right" groups its scary amazing.
Any thoughts from my friends from the USA would be interesting.


No, won't happen.

Americans like to fight. When we have no external enemy we like to fight each other. It's just the way we are. A lot of people don't like to acknowledge that Americans are a diverse group of belligerent cultures. We have always been a warrior culture with the exception of sub cultural groups like the Amish of Mennonites. Sit back and enjoy. You can bet on this, the second an external threat is raised, we come together and crush it under the all mighty boot heal of American fanaticism. Yeah we're crazy, violent and argumentative, but don't get in our way. We are an extremely powerful people, because we're full of fire and drive. Fire and drive also brings heavy conflict, we just need to understand ourselves so that we can continue to harness it instead of letting it control us.
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it's 2017.. a lot of paranoid people starting flame wars with their keyboards

but actual war ?

like who lived a sheltered life getting stabbed and seeing blood for the first time.. pretty sure they will be too scared to go outside and just go back to their keyboard again.
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probably
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I doubt it, the government would not allow a large scale civil war to take place. Martial law would be enforced and the police and national guard would suppress it.
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dulun18 wrote:

it's 2017.. a lot of paranoid people starting flame wars with their keyboards

but actual war ?

like who lived a sheltered life getting stabbed and seeing blood for the first time.. pretty sure they will be too scared to go outside and just go back to their keyboard again.


Right, the battle is just going to be squabbling for legal authority to arrest someone, most likely. Unless a Christmas Miracle occurs and everyone decides to get along and focus on winning elections instead of attacking back and forth.
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I highly doubt it will be a "war" in the traditional sense that people are thinking. While I do think many people will certainly be outraged it will be most certainly be an economical war. We are noticing an increasing divide between Rich and poor.

We also have a racial division of people right now. No doubt caused by the media. (Peace is boring, Violence goes Viral!)
We rarely see the many good things people do except for the 9-year-old invents a way to solve x problem (but never actually achieves anything because of lack of funding.)

As a result, we are seeing a different kind of war. While this has happened in history we are seeing many workers being replaced by automation ESPECIALLY in the low-income sector where people are already desperate. Do I think we are on the verge of a civil war? Not just yet but I do think as certain economic resources (water, rare earth metals, etc ) become more scarce we'll see how people react when someone wants to drill under your house for "X" resource and has the money to do so.

Hell in the 60s we thought about bulldozing low-income neighborhoods to build more highways to try and promote the purchase of cars.
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