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DAMN IT, WHY DID I REPLY.
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Anime fans have the unique perspective to understand racism in mainstream media.

As an American anime fan, I often find myself wanting more Americans in anime. I know it's unrealistic. Anime is made for Japanese people, after all. Yet, I'd feel I'd someone I could relate to better. I'm often disappointed with the stereotypical portrayal of Americans (likes guns, loud, always trying to push themselves on other people). It's to the point where I get excited merely over properly done English sentences. There almost always feels like there's a gap.

Then I realized something. In Japanese culture, I'm the minority. When we watch anime, we gain the perspective of being the minority and thus can have better empathy towards many of the complaints by minorities and their supporters in our culture ("Whitewashing", anyone?).






Sounds like a personal petty complaint to me. The Japanese language is different from the English language so sometimes translations can be a bit off. Do you realize in Japan the population of Japanese people is a little over 98% leaving all other ethnic groups and people from other national origins at around 2% which is probably why you don't see a whole lot of Africans or Americans in anime in the first place. If they choose to make an anime with Americans or Africans (or any other ethnic origin) in it then that is their choice they don't have to if they don't want to this doesn't make the Japanese racist by any means I also don't feel empathy towards minorities that have personal (stupid) complaints because they don't always get what they want.


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. I know it's unrealistic. Anime is made for Japanese people, after all. Yet, I'd feel I'd [like] someone I could relate to better.


I get it. Anime can be a refreshing break from the norms of American media. I've been watching it for about, 8 years now. After a while, cookie cutter American stereotype gets a little stale and the Shinto-Buddhist philosophy begins to feel old. Of course, I'll get that because it's anime "what should I expect?" That doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy it better if it were a little different.
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jtjumper I agree that it's annoying that the stereotypes for americans are really bad but the main difference and the reason I don't agree with the "we get the unique representation of being the minority" is a few things. First of all, the media tries to spin most american stereotypes as real, whereas any stereotype towards a black person is spinned as a joke or racist. For instance, stereotyping a black person is seen as racist, but stereotyping a white person is seen as credible(example "white male that's privileged" my ass).

Another reason is that lot of japanese characters either look closer to white than japanese or don't really have a cleary ethnic group and are just japanese for the sake of name conventions.
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TheAngryLittleAlc, what they want is Equality of Outcome, which is the COMPLETE ANTHESIS of Equality of Opportunity.


I feel like we could be great friends *reaches hand out for a hand shake*
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American stereotypes in anime aren't offensive to me. They're funny, if anything. Also, Japan literally has a 99% Japanese population, so it makes sense that there wouldn't be a lot of non-Japanese people in their media.
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This stuff about representing minority groups constantly is honestly a stupid push to try and make everything seem overly equal for no apparent reason. When Martin Luther King Jr. wanted more rights for black people he wasn't asking about parity(not parody) for roles in cartoons, he was talking about equal opportunity in general.


This isn't about Justice it's about disappointment. Disappointment as far as relating to characters. Like, how most movies take place in Detroit, New York, D.C. or California. Is it a crime to want some show taking place in small town Michigan? Is it a crime to be sad they cancelled Battle Creek?
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jtjumper wrote:


TheAngryLittleAlchemist wrote:

This stuff about representing minority groups constantly is honestly a stupid push to try and make everything seem overly equal for no apparent reason. When Martin Luther King Jr. wanted more rights for black people he wasn't asking about parity(not parody) for roles in cartoons, he was talking about equal opportunity in general.


This isn't about Justice it's about disappointment. Disappointment as far as relating to characters.


Why the fuck(i'm not mad just cussing to make extremity) do you identify with characters based on RACE???? DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT IS STUPID???? It's like when you hear SJW's that are black say " I want more black characters to identify with" yet when I talk to any of my black friends or watch a show with them THEY DON'T CARE.
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How does the RACE of the people help this?

It seems you are conflating race with culture.

Which is obviously wrong.

And also, if you don't like anime's often use of Shinto-Buddism referances (Honestly, it isn't as common as you seem to make it out to be), Then watch other mediums. That's what happens when the country that produces the anime like the mythology of the culture.

Look, I get you wanting anime to deviate. But that's what it's doing now. Sure, some have Shinto-Buddism in it, but what about the many THIS SEASON EVEN that don't? Like Mob Psycho, Re:Zero, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, ReWrite, New Game?

Take them on board.
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CreatorTheta wrote:

TheAngryLittleAlc, what they want is Equality of Outcome, which is the COMPLETE ANTHESIS of Equality of Opportunity.


I feel like we could be great friends *reaches hand out for a hand shake*


Well, I shall accept. Not great friends yet, but at least you seem alright.
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How does the RACE of the people help this?

It seems you are conflating race with culture.

Which is obviously wrong.

And also, if you don't like anime's often use of Shinto-Buddism referances (Honestly, it isn't as common as you seem to make it out to be), Then watch other mediums. That's what happens when the country that produces the anime like the mythology of the culture.

Look, I get you wanting anime to deviate. But that's what it's doing now. Sure, some have Shinto-Buddism in it, but what about the many THIS SEASON EVEN that don't? Like Mob Psycho, Re:Zero, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, ReWrite, New Game?

Take them on board.


I mean it's not like some of the most popular anime of all time (Neon Genesis Evangelion and Fullmetal Alchemist) represent religions like Christianity and reference Islam at all or anything...

Honestly I think even culturally Japan is more willing to explore different cultures and beliefs then most mediums, so even then I don't get the complaint.
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jtjumper wrote:


TheAngryLittleAlchemist wrote:

This stuff about representing minority groups constantly is honestly a stupid push to try and make everything seem overly equal for no apparent reason. When Martin Luther King Jr. wanted more rights for black people he wasn't asking about parity(not parody) for roles in cartoons, he was talking about equal opportunity in general.


This isn't about Justice it's about disappointment. Disappointment as far as relating to characters.


Why the fuck(i'm not mad just cussing to make extremity) do you identify with characters based on RACE???? DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT IS STUPID???? It's like when you hear SJW's that are black say " I want more black characters to identify with" yet when I talk to any of my black friends or watch a show with them THEY DON'T CARE.


Yeah, I think he is conflating race with Culture. And it's bothering to see this. I find this attitude of thinking race is a major relatable feature to be honestly unfounded. Race means colour. Nothing more, nothing less. It's like saying I relate to a character because they have brown eyes, which is the same as me (Not really, I have black-ish eyes, they're weird) Race means nothing, in my eyes.

And I am tired of people trying to treat race as something more than simply the colour of a person.
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jtjumper wrote:


ah0tp0tat0 wrote:


jtjumper wrote:

Anime fans have the unique perspective to understand racism in mainstream media.

As an American anime fan, I often find myself wanting more Americans in anime. I know it's unrealistic. Anime is made for Japanese people, after all. Yet, I'd feel I'd someone I could relate to better. I'm often disappointed with the stereotypical portrayal of Americans (likes guns, loud, always trying to push themselves on other people). It's to the point where I get excited merely over properly done English sentences. There almost always feels like there's a gap.

Then I realized something. In Japanese culture, I'm the minority. When we watch anime, we gain the perspective of being the minority and thus can have better empathy towards many of the complaints by minorities and their supporters in our culture ("Whitewashing", anyone?).






Sounds like a personal petty complaint to me. The Japanese language is different from the English language so sometimes translations can be a bit off. Do you realize in Japan the population of Japanese people is a little over 98% leaving all other ethnic groups and people from other national origins at around 2% which is probably why you don't see a whole lot of Africans or Americans in anime in the first place. If they choose to make an anime with Americans or Africans (or any other ethnic origin) in it then that is their choice they don't have to if they don't want to this doesn't make the Japanese racist by any means I also don't feel empathy towards minorities that have personal (stupid) complaints because they don't always get what they want.


Let me quote my OP:


. I know it's unrealistic. Anime is made for Japanese people, after all. Yet, I'd feel I'd [like] someone I could relate to better.


I get it. Anime can be a refreshing break from the norms of American media. I've been watching it for about, 8 years now. After a while, cookie cutter American stereotype gets a little stale and the Shinto-Buddhist philosophy begins to feel old. Of course, I'll get that because it's anime "what should I expect?" That doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy it better if it were a little different.


I would like to applaud you for a good job figuring out that animes are made for Japanese people and also good job for figuring out Anime is unrealistic and I'm going to say this again I don't feel any empathy towards minorities (including you) that have personal (Stupid) complaints because they don't always get what they want.
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CreatorTheta wrote:

How does the RACE of the people help this?

It seems you are conflating race with culture.

Which is obviously wrong.

And also, if you don't like anime's often use of Shinto-Buddism referances (Honestly, it isn't as common as you seem to make it out to be), Then watch other mediums. That's what happens when the country that produces the anime like the mythology of the culture.

Look, I get you wanting anime to deviate. But that's what it's doing now. Sure, some have Shinto-Buddism in it, but what about the many THIS SEASON EVEN that don't? Like Mob Psycho, Re:Zero, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, ReWrite, New Game?

Take them on board.


I mean it's not like some of the most popular anime of all time (Neon Genesis Evangelion and Fullmetal Alchemist) represent religions like Christianity and reference Islam at all or anything...

Honestly I think even culturally Japan is more willing to explore different cultures and beliefs then most mediums, so even then I don't get the complaint.


They truly do. They are the most forward thinking nation in terms of acceptance. Though....their culture currently is over working people and such....(or is that china?)
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Please, Please do not bring this worlds drama into anime, don't do that. Why does every little thing have to have a certain race or culture in it just to please others that there is now someone of the same race/culture in said anime. I don't even compare anime to this world because there are so many things that do not make sense in our world but is implemented into anime and it makes sense and i like it.

The reason i love anime is because it's an escape from our shitty world with all this drama about race/culture/sex.

Tbh i like how there is normally just the one type of race/culture in anime. i come to think of anime as a different world.

If i could make my own world there would be only one race, so we could avoid all this drama.
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jtjumper wrote:


TheAngryLittleAlchemist wrote:

This stuff about representing minority groups constantly is honestly a stupid push to try and make everything seem overly equal for no apparent reason. When Martin Luther King Jr. wanted more rights for black people he wasn't asking about parity(not parody) for roles in cartoons, he was talking about equal opportunity in general.


This isn't about Justice it's about disappointment. Disappointment as far as relating to characters. Like, how most movies take place in Detroit, New York, D.C. or California. Is it a crime to want some show taking place in small town Michigan? Is it a crime to be sad they cancelled Battle Creek?





Disappointment as far as relating to characters.

^rolls my eyes.




That's my reaction.




This is honestly disgusting.
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