Post Reply I realised something about Anime the other day.
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Posted 7/19/16
Hello there everyone!


I was having a convo with a friend the other day and it made me realize why people end up poking at the tropes in Anime more so then a lot of other types of shows.

It is not that people dislike the tropes/cliches (I personally love them myself), it is that each trope/cliche in Anime just pops up more because of the sheer amount of series there are.

People seem a tad more forgiving for Western tropes/cliches because they don't have a million shows with them. Generally we have like.... only a handful of long running series on TV and the new ones that try to come out end up not lasting too long because almost no one watches them.

But then you have Anime where the handful of long running series is not what the majority of fans end up watching. Generally with Anime you get 20-30+ new shows every season of airing. So that is about 100 new shows a year. That can very quickly add up of seeing the tropes.cliches vs what happens in Western shows where the smaller shows don't gain nearly as much traction.


Anyway, let me know what you all think. If my theory is close or whatever.
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People don't poke more fun in the anime than they do in any other community. I dunno what gave you that idea. Something like the gaming community will make fun of the cliches of games as much as we do in the anime community.
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I'd say you're partly right. The sheer number of new shows does affect that, but the main issue has to do with the fact that these tropes are used pretty poorly, and that the settings for most of these series are practically the same. Target audience is another thing, most anime are aimed towards teenagers, while most Western tv shows are aimed towards adults. When it comes to Western tv aimed towards teenagers, they suffer the same level of criticism and nitpicking that anime does
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jaykirbydudee wrote:

People don't poke more fun in the anime than they do in any other community. I dunno what gave you that idea. Something like the gaming community will make fun of the cliches of games as much as we do in the anime community.


Might just be the kind of people I ended up hanging around. The amount of times I have seen friends and such just tear shows I personally loved apart..., I'd say a little over half of my friends end up being overly critical of Anime and such. Yet then they will praise their western shows to the high heavens saying it does none of the complaints they have about Anime. Even though when you break down a lot of their shows they do still have similar western troupes as many other shows. ((Personally, there are very very few Western Shows I even watch anymore. So many of them I ended up dropping because I was just... tired of them. Supernatural and Criminal Minds for instance. Or they were way too serious for my tastes. The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones. Or even worse, got boring after 2 seasons. Orange is the New Black.))

Just... overly tired of it I guess. The amount of Hypocrisy. So I was looking for an answer as to why. Like, fun teasing I can deal with. I poke fun of stuff too. But they were being 100% serious.
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Posted 7/19/16

SDtheElf wrote:


jaykirbydudee wrote:

People don't poke more fun in the anime than they do in any other community. I dunno what gave you that idea. Something like the gaming community will make fun of the cliches of games as much as we do in the anime community.


Might just be the kind of people I ended up hanging around. The amount of times I have seen friends and such just tear shows I personally loved apart..., I'd say a little over half of my friends end up being overly critical of Anime and such. Yet then they will praise their western shows to the high heavens saying it does none of the complaints they have about Anime. Even though when you break down a lot of their shows they do still have similar western troupes as many other shows. ((Personally, there are very very few Western Shows I even watch anymore. So many of them I ended up dropping because I was just... tired of them. Supernatural and Criminal Minds for instance. Or they were way too serious for my tastes. The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones. Or even worse, got boring after 2 seasons. Orange is the New Black.))

Just... overly tired of it I guess. The amount of Hypocrisy. So I was looking for an answer as to why. Like, fun teasing I can deal with. I poke fun of stuff too. But they were being 100% serious.


Well everyone has opinions. As they critique your anime you can critique their shows. People who have grown up watching western shows will obviously be more biased towards those shows in comparison to people who grew up watching anime after all. For instance I can't name many things i dislike about chuunibyou demo koi ga shitai because I'm biased towards it and it blinds me from those flaws but I can easily pinpoint things about something like game of thrones if I were to watch it.
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SDtheElf wrote:
I was having a convo with a friend the other day and it made me realize why people end up poking at the tropes in Anime more so then a lot of other types of shows.


Because anime / manga fans, as a group, are extremely nitpicky, and always have been. This is why our numbers rarely, if ever, expand.
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In some cases, since it's not our cultural output, we're more likely to notice repeated beats than in our own works, especially if those beats are things that are not common in our own countries, while not being able to recognise the reasoning behind their placement.
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rcsatcrunchyroll wrote:


Because anime / manga fans, as a group, are extremely nitpicky, and always have been. This is why our numbers rarely, if ever, expand.


Oh, I don't know about that. You might be right, but I think it is because people want to prove a sense of superiority either over anime or the person they are talking to. Personally my response (either out loud or to myself) is: Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one and they all stink. (Including mine! :D)
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The anime community is over cynical and many like to stroke their own egos or feel more validated in their opinions. Then on the flipside you have the bandwagoners and coat-tail riders.


now there are a lot of good/cool anime fans, but they tend to be drowned out by the others.
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Yeah, it's basically because most anime fans (or at least the most vocal ones) are immature people who think that insulting things and nitpicking makes them look smart, or tough, or something.

It doesn't, and they need to get over themselves.

Gamers are probably worse in this respect.

Mainstream TV/books/movies in the U.S. ... I feel like the elements that get repeated a lot are versatile or ubiquitous enough that every show has its own take on it. That, and there are more long-running shows. Also, more casual audiences don't need as much originality, if they're just watching the show to chat about it at work, or whatever.

Mainstream live-action in Japan/Britain/ all of the other countries nerds like to see as superior... is even worse than American stuff. You should know this already, but America gets all of those crazy reality shows from Britain.

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The reason, IMO, that people tend to complain more about tropes in anime than TV or movies have various causes.
1) The anime industry is rather unimaginative when it comes to who their target demography is, i.e. kids or teens, giving us f.ex. an overabundance high-school settings, teens saving the world, or some blend thereof. TV/movie industry just targets a much broader demography, and will try to make something for all age groups and for most tastes (if financially viable).
2) In animes the tropes become more noticable from lack solid storyline and/or characters. This doesn't mean that the same isn't true of many Western TV shows/movies, but good acting often helps. However, with TV shows the episodic format masks some of these tropes focusing on the episode plot, but later seasons tend to reveal them.

There are other factors but its late at night for me and I really have mush for brains right now. Not saying that the anime industry can't be original or that it can't figure out how to use tropes and still make an entertaining and interesting anime to watch. One of my favorites of all time is The Spaceship Yamato, which certainly had a few tropes, but I would still consider an original. The difference may be that Yamato is more adult than many of the animes made these days. So perhaps tropes are not the real problem but the lack in variety in target audiences.
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jaykirbydudee wrote:
Something like the gaming community will make fun of the cliches of games as much as we do in the anime community.

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