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Why should religion be banned, and how is that any different than the religious forcing conversion on secular society?
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Posted 7/21/16

rinrakuu wrote:


Exerorg wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


descloud wrote:

-Historically religion has been forced upon people.
-Religion set back science by roughly 1000 years.
-Religion is almost always the reason for war.
-Some religions say we can't be "good" people without big brother telling us how to be.
-Religion is a business especially in the United States.
-Religion is full of inconsistencies and usually the claims it makes cannot be proven. Because when they are proven, it's proven to be false. (Ex. A donkey in the desert from the bible).


No matter how you look at it. Religion is bad, and the people don't need it. It's religion that needs the people, that should be a red flag even in the slowest mind.



Religion isn't bad, only those who kill in its name. There are many religious who don't kill, and don't force it on others. As for history, who cares? History changes.

Edit: also, what cannot be proven doesn't mean it might not exist. What happens after death can't be proven or disproven by mankind, it does not mean it might not exist.


Wait what? History definitely does not change. We should care to learn from the mistakes of the past.


History does change, all around us, every day, every year , every decade, and when it reverses, its not the same as originally.

New history is made, of course. But what has happened has happened, things are kinda set in stone that way. There's no such thing as time travel.
Posted 7/21/16

Exerorg wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


Exerorg wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


descloud wrote:

-Historically religion has been forced upon people.
-Religion set back science by roughly 1000 years.
-Religion is almost always the reason for war.
-Some religions say we can't be "good" people without big brother telling us how to be.
-Religion is a business especially in the United States.
-Religion is full of inconsistencies and usually the claims it makes cannot be proven. Because when they are proven, it's proven to be false. (Ex. A donkey in the desert from the bible).


No matter how you look at it. Religion is bad, and the people don't need it. It's religion that needs the people, that should be a red flag even in the slowest mind.



Religion isn't bad, only those who kill in its name. There are many religious who don't kill, and don't force it on others. As for history, who cares? History changes.

Edit: also, what cannot be proven doesn't mean it might not exist. What happens after death can't be proven or disproven by mankind, it does not mean it might not exist.


Wait what? History definitely does not change. We should care to learn from the mistakes of the past.


History does change, all around us, every day, every year , every decade, and when it reverses, its not the same as originally.

New history is made, of course. But what has happened has happened, things are kinda set in stone that way. There's no such thing as time travel.


Never claimed there was . From every nanosecond to the next is unique, it doesn't repeat. The phrase it repeats is the tendency for similar events to happen, no, not the same event. in that way it does not repeat.
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Posted 7/21/16

descloud wrote:

"As for history, who cares?"

This kind of thing right here is why nobody who is an atheist will take anyone who defends religion seriously. I'm not sure if it's ignorance or just plain denial about the reality of religion.


This may seem a bit off-topic, but I imagine that other atheists besides myself don't care for you projecting your opinion of religion upon the rest of us. I'm also a bit concerned with the insinuation, however unintentional it may be, of it only being the religious who disregard history.
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"HIS STATE WAS ATHEIST, FUCK WHAT HE WAS"

rinrakuu...you really are retarded. At least on this subject. I don't doubt you're a smart person, but you're lying to yourself to stand as correct in some way. When I proved you wrong, you retracted yourself and changed the subject slightly. Now you're just saying because I didn't provide proof that Nazis were not atheistic, that i'm wrong. stop embarrassing yourself.
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Posted 7/21/16

rinrakuu wrote:


Exerorg wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


Exerorg wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


descloud wrote:

-Historically religion has been forced upon people.
-Religion set back science by roughly 1000 years.
-Religion is almost always the reason for war.
-Some religions say we can't be "good" people without big brother telling us how to be.
-Religion is a business especially in the United States.
-Religion is full of inconsistencies and usually the claims it makes cannot be proven. Because when they are proven, it's proven to be false. (Ex. A donkey in the desert from the bible).


No matter how you look at it. Religion is bad, and the people don't need it. It's religion that needs the people, that should be a red flag even in the slowest mind.



Religion isn't bad, only those who kill in its name. There are many religious who don't kill, and don't force it on others. As for history, who cares? History changes.

Edit: also, what cannot be proven doesn't mean it might not exist. What happens after death can't be proven or disproven by mankind, it does not mean it might not exist.


Wait what? History definitely does not change. We should care to learn from the mistakes of the past.


History does change, all around us, every day, every year , every decade, and when it reverses, its not the same as originally.

New history is made, of course. But what has happened has happened, things are kinda set in stone that way. There's no such thing as time travel.


Never claimed there was . From every nanosecond to the next is unique, it doesn't repeat. The phrase it repeats is the tendency for similar events to happen, no, not the same event. in that way it does not repeat.

But we can agree that history does not change, right? Only that new history is being made?
Posted 7/21/16

Exerorg wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


Exerorg wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


Exerorg wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


descloud wrote:

-Historically religion has been forced upon people.
-Religion set back science by roughly 1000 years.
-Religion is almost always the reason for war.
-Some religions say we can't be "good" people without big brother telling us how to be.
-Religion is a business especially in the United States.
-Religion is full of inconsistencies and usually the claims it makes cannot be proven. Because when they are proven, it's proven to be false. (Ex. A donkey in the desert from the bible).


No matter how you look at it. Religion is bad, and the people don't need it. It's religion that needs the people, that should be a red flag even in the slowest mind.



Religion isn't bad, only those who kill in its name. There are many religious who don't kill, and don't force it on others. As for history, who cares? History changes.

Edit: also, what cannot be proven doesn't mean it might not exist. What happens after death can't be proven or disproven by mankind, it does not mean it might not exist.


Wait what? History definitely does not change. We should care to learn from the mistakes of the past.


History does change, all around us, every day, every year , every decade, and when it reverses, its not the same as originally.

New history is made, of course. But what has happened has happened, things are kinda set in stone that way. There's no such thing as time travel.


Never claimed there was . From every nanosecond to the next is unique, it doesn't repeat. The phrase it repeats is the tendency for similar events to happen, no, not the same event. in that way it does not repeat.

But we can agree that history does not change, right? Only that new history is being made?


It changes whenever its rewritten. As history is often written by the victors and is far from unbiased.
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Posted 7/21/16 , edited 7/21/16

aeb0717 wrote:


descloud wrote:

"As for history, who cares?"

This kind of thing right here is why nobody who is an atheist will take anyone who defends religion seriously. I'm not sure if it's ignorance or just plain denial about the reality of religion.


This may seem a bit off-topic, but I imagine that other atheists besides myself don't care for you projecting your opinion of religion upon the rest of us. I'm also a bit concerned with the insinuation, however unintentional it may be, of it only being the religious who disregard history.


If it does not concern you, then move on?

Edit: Ah, no it was not my intention to come as only the religious disregard history. But with that said, my point was not really just about history.
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"As history is often written by the victors and is far from unbiased."

This could literally be applied to the bible and what makes a "good christain". Do you not know why it was so easy for christains like hitler to genocide people? Hitler was a real christain, the nazis were. Just because you disagree with them doesn't make them any less believers than you might be.
Posted 7/21/16

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"As history is often written by the victors and is far from unbiased."

This could literally be applied to the bible and what makes a "good christain". Do you not know why it was so easy for christains like hitler to genocide people? Hitler was a real christain, the nazis were. Just because you disagree with them doesn't make them any less believers than you might be.


Hitler was no true christian, according to other christians, christian meaning "christ-like". The nazis were in practice not christ-like, their works were not, thus they were not. thus No true scotsman fallacy does not apply
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Posted 7/21/16

rinrakuu wrote:


Exerorg wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


Exerorg wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


Exerorg wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


descloud wrote:

-Historically religion has been forced upon people.
-Religion set back science by roughly 1000 years.
-Religion is almost always the reason for war.
-Some religions say we can't be "good" people without big brother telling us how to be.
-Religion is a business especially in the United States.
-Religion is full of inconsistencies and usually the claims it makes cannot be proven. Because when they are proven, it's proven to be false. (Ex. A donkey in the desert from the bible).


No matter how you look at it. Religion is bad, and the people don't need it. It's religion that needs the people, that should be a red flag even in the slowest mind.



Religion isn't bad, only those who kill in its name. There are many religious who don't kill, and don't force it on others. As for history, who cares? History changes.

Edit: also, what cannot be proven doesn't mean it might not exist. What happens after death can't be proven or disproven by mankind, it does not mean it might not exist.


Wait what? History definitely does not change. We should care to learn from the mistakes of the past.


History does change, all around us, every day, every year , every decade, and when it reverses, its not the same as originally.

New history is made, of course. But what has happened has happened, things are kinda set in stone that way. There's no such thing as time travel.


Never claimed there was . From every nanosecond to the next is unique, it doesn't repeat. The phrase it repeats is the tendency for similar events to happen, no, not the same event. in that way it does not repeat.

But we can agree that history does not change, right? Only that new history is being made?


It changes whenever its rewritten. As history is often written by the victors and is far from unbiased.


Huh, it seems my concept of history is very different from your own.
Posted 7/21/16

descloud wrote:


aeb0717 wrote:


descloud wrote:

"As for history, who cares?"

This kind of thing right here is why nobody who is an atheist will take anyone who defends religion seriously. I'm not sure if it's ignorance or just plain denial about the reality of religion.


This may seem a bit off-topic, but I imagine that other atheists besides myself don't care for you projecting your opinion of religion upon the rest of us. I'm also a bit concerned with the insinuation, however unintentional it may be, of it only being the religious who disregard history.


If it does not concern you, then move on?


If she says it did then it did
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Posted 7/21/16

rinrakuu wrote:


TheAngryLittleAlchemist wrote:

"As history is often written by the victors and is far from unbiased."

This could literally be applied to the bible and what makes a "good christain". Do you not know why it was so easy for christains like hitler to genocide people? Hitler was a real christain, the nazis were. Just because you disagree with them doesn't make them any less believers than you might be.


Hitler was no true christian, according to other christians, christian meaning "christ-like". The nazis were in practice not christ-like, their works were not, thus they were not. thus No true scotsman fallacy does not apply


But what is christain like can be changed all the time. You're being very ignorant here. The original generation of christains were very violent, it was acceptable back then. Where they not christains? You're not very educated here and if you're going to keep using these terrible arguments I'm just going to stop responding.
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Posted 7/21/16

rinrakuu wrote:


descloud wrote:


aeb0717 wrote:


descloud wrote:

"As for history, who cares?"

This kind of thing right here is why nobody who is an atheist will take anyone who defends religion seriously. I'm not sure if it's ignorance or just plain denial about the reality of religion.


This may seem a bit off-topic, but I imagine that other atheists besides myself don't care for you projecting your opinion of religion upon the rest of us. I'm also a bit concerned with the insinuation, however unintentional it may be, of it only being the religious who disregard history.


If it does not concern you, then move on?


If she says it did then it did


And?
Posted 7/21/16

TheAngryLittleAlchemist wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


TheAngryLittleAlchemist wrote:

"As history is often written by the victors and is far from unbiased."

This could literally be applied to the bible and what makes a "good christain". Do you not know why it was so easy for christains like hitler to genocide people? Hitler was a real christain, the nazis were. Just because you disagree with them doesn't make them any less believers than you might be.


Hitler was no true christian, according to other christians, christian meaning "christ-like". The nazis were in practice not christ-like, their works were not, thus they were not. thus No true scotsman fallacy does not apply


But what is christain like can be changed all the time. You're being very ignorant here. The original generation of christains were very violent, it was acceptable back then. Where they not christains? You're not very educated here and if you're going to keep using these terrible arguments I'm just going to stop responding.


I wonder if your source material is incorrect, and I don't care what you think personally of my argument, I think you're full of shit, so, goodbye.
Posted 7/21/16

descloud wrote:


rinrakuu wrote:


descloud wrote:


aeb0717 wrote:


descloud wrote:

"As for history, who cares?"

This kind of thing right here is why nobody who is an atheist will take anyone who defends religion seriously. I'm not sure if it's ignorance or just plain denial about the reality of religion.


This may seem a bit off-topic, but I imagine that other atheists besides myself don't care for you projecting your opinion of religion upon the rest of us. I'm also a bit concerned with the insinuation, however unintentional it may be, of it only being the religious who disregard history.


If it does not concern you, then move on?


If she says it did then it did


And?


Ask her.
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