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Posted 7/21/16

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I don't get how all these people don't understand that BLM doesn't mean "white lives don't matter" it just means "stop killing us, our lives matter too" for fucks sake


I think the slogan "All lives matter" it is addressing the vitriol against police officers that is sadly common in the Black Lives Matter movement, especially with what happened in Dallas. There lives matter too is what I think the slogan is addressing, compared to "black lives matter", but many people don't want to work with the police. They see them as monsters and vilify them. That's how I interpreted it.
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Posted 7/21/16 , edited 7/21/16

-Dattebayo wrote:

I don't get how all these people don't understand that BLM doesn't mean "white lives don't matter" it just means "stop killing us, our lives matter too" for fucks sake



Yet people in BLM have called for the death of cops and whites.


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D4nc3Style wrote:


-Dattebayo wrote:

I don't get how all these people don't understand that BLM doesn't mean "white lives don't matter" it just means "stop killing us, our lives matter too" for fucks sake



Yet people in BLM have called for the death of cops and whites.




Well those are the shitty few that think killing everyone else is the solution

How can you judge and entire group of people based on some morons
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


-Dattebayo wrote:

I don't get how all these people don't understand that BLM doesn't mean "white lives don't matter" it just means "stop killing us, our lives matter too" for fucks sake


I think the slogan "All lives matter" it is addressing the vitriol against police officers that is sadly common in the Black Lives Matter movement, especially with what happened in Dallas. There lives matter too is what I think the slogan is addressing, compared to "black lives matter", but many people don't want to work with the police. They see them as monsters and vilify them. That's how I interpreted it.


I agree. Obviously cops shouldn't be killed for the awful few, but "all lives matter" has been going on way before the Dallas shooting, so I see it more as a "shut the fuck up" towards black people
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-Dattebayo wrote:


D4nc3Style wrote:


-Dattebayo wrote:

I don't get how all these people don't understand that BLM doesn't mean "white lives don't matter" it just means "stop killing us, our lives matter too" for fucks sake



Yet people in BLM have called for the death of cops and whites.




Well those are the shitty few that think killing everyone else is the solution

How can you judge and entire group of people based on some morons


There are videos of BLM protesters chanting for dead police in big numbers...

Fuck BLM

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D4nc3Style wrote:


-Dattebayo wrote:


D4nc3Style wrote:


-Dattebayo wrote:

I don't get how all these people don't understand that BLM doesn't mean "white lives don't matter" it just means "stop killing us, our lives matter too" for fucks sake



Yet people in BLM have called for the death of cops and whites.




Well those are the shitty few that think killing everyone else is the solution

How can you judge and entire group of people based on some morons


There are videos of BLM protesters chanting for dead police in big numbers...

Fuck BLM



sigh
by that logic all of humanity is terrible because there's a big number of idiots in every group
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


-Dattebayo wrote:

I don't get how all these people don't understand that BLM doesn't mean "white lives don't matter" it just means "stop killing us, our lives matter too" for fucks sake


I think the slogan "All lives matter" it is addressing the vitriol against police officers that is sadly common in the Black Lives Matter movement, especially with what happened in Dallas. There lives matter too is what I think the slogan is addressing, compared to "black lives matter", but many people don't want to work with the police. They see them as monsters and vilify them. That's how I interpreted it.


I thought the one that refers to the police is "Blue Lives Matter". "All Lives Matter" refers to everyone....though in my opinion i have sometimes thought it came off a little like an insult. "Black Lives Matter" I can understand especially from some of my friends' points of view. Yet I feel like a lot of the actions are not helping the cause to finding a solution. I kind of think each side is kind of missing the point on one aspect or another.
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How is this what gets attention here and not the fact that Trump is willing to deliver our allies to Russia if they don't pay more for NATO?


quite frankly, I know we are allies but if Russia goes to war with someone other than us, then I don't want us to go to their aid, because that means boom at war with Russia
nukes incoming


id rather lose a country than the world


So let me get this straight. You Yanks were basically the founding father of NATO. An organisation originally designed to keep Russian aggression in check. And now that we have actual verified and ever increasing Russian aggression you want to run crying to mommy saying the bad boys are bullying you?

You Yanks created this whole east vs west bullshit and now you expect the rest of us to deal with the fallout. Tell me why we shouldn't just hand the Russian army a road map and a couple of plane tickets?


No, NATO was not created because of Russian aggression. It was created because of the Soviet Union and communist aggression. The Soviet Union no longer exist nowadays. Communists are not threatening to take over Europe. The Cold War ended with a western victory. Period. I don't see the Russians sending suicide bombers to America and Europe. There's lots of differences between Russia and us but they want to defeat Islamic terrorism as well, and that's why Donald Trump supports Russia's bombing of ISIS. Donald Trump is absolutely right about NATO. America is paying billions of dollars defending European countries against some imaginary threat from Russia. Europe is in huge trouble with terrorism and insame immigration policy. We should be fighting terrorism now. Just leave Russia alone. Don't provoke them. Do you seriously think Russia is threatening Europe like the Soviet Union did??? America had troops in Iceland until like a decade ago. Even in the days of the Cold war, that's unecessary. Who's gonna invade a country like Iceland??? Why are we sending troops to defend countries like Spain, Portugal, Italy, UK etc. Donald Trump is right. If they want help, they pay for it. They should be like France. France takes care of their own national defense because they're so proud of their own country. Even Israel can defend themselves. The other European countries should have some guts now to defend themselves. And also Japan, it's time for them to change their constitution and tough up themselves, not rely on America forever. I fully agree with Donald Trump's foreign policy. America First!
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I'll just leave this here


Well, if we want to do analogies, Black Lives Matter, as a group, is like going to the doctor for dizziness, and finding out that you're dizzy because you're bleeding out. The doctor says "we should probably focus on the root cause of the dizziness and fix this," and Black Lives Matter says "NO, I care more about dizziness, just look at that." Saying "All Lives Matter" is like saying "All Symptoms Matter."

Fact is, police kill blacks more because blacks commit more crime. We should expect the police killing numbers to mirror that. Blacks commit 37% of violent crime, but make up only 26% of police killings. Of all crime, they commit 27%. If you ask me, 27% of crime and 26% of police killings is what we should expect of a racially unbiased system. That might be a problem with policing though, since we should expect the numbers to closer match the violent crime numbers, not the stats for all crimes. If the system were working correctly, I would expect blacks to make up a LARGER % of killings. Then again, when a nonviolent criminal is killed, it's usually because they're resisting arrest, and the officer often has no idea how dangerous the person is, which might be a reason why the numbers are closer to all crime.

At any rate, if you want to know why police kill blacks more, that's why. And all of the problems that BLM has, to a large degree, can be solved if blacks stopped committing crimes. But instead of looking at that root cause of the problem, they say "no, look over here, there's a white guy that killed a black guy. Racism, right? THAT must be the problem--just look at the race of the people involved."
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Black Lives Matter is a racist group that promotes violence. Donald Trump is the law and order candidate.

All Lives Matter!
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theYchromosome wrote:


CrazyTalk wrote:

I'll just leave this here


Well, if we want to do analogies, Black Lives Matter, as a group, is like going to the doctor for dizziness, and finding out that you're dizzy because you're bleeding out. The doctor says "we should probably focus on the root cause of the dizziness and fix this," and Black Lives Matter says "NO, I care more about dizziness, just look at that." Saying "All Lives Matter" is like saying "All Symptoms Matter."

Fact is, police kill blacks more because blacks commit more crime. We should expect the police killing numbers to mirror that. Blacks commit 37% of violent crime, but make up only 26% of police killings. Of all crime, they commit 27%. If you ask me, 27% of crime and 26% of police killings is what we should expect of a racially unbiased system. That might be a problem with policing though, since we should expect the numbers to closer match the violent crime numbers, not the stats for all crimes. If the system were working correctly, I would expect blacks to make up a LARGER % of killings. Then again, when a nonviolent criminal is killed, it's usually because they're resisting arrest, and the officer often has no idea how dangerous the person is, which might be a reason why the numbers are closer to all crime.

At any rate, if you want to know why police kill blacks more, that's why. And all of the problems that BLM has, to a large degree, can be solved if blacks stopped committing crimes. But instead of looking at that root cause of the problem, they say "no, look over here, there's a white guy that killed a black guy. Racism, right? THAT must be the problem--just look at the race of the people involved."


I think your numbers are a bit mixed up. It's more or less a percentage within a percentage. Not all crimes are violent. Although I do think things like poverty do need to be addressed, so I agree with you there.
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I think your numbers are a bit mixed up. It's more or less a percentage within a percentage. Not all crimes are violent. Although I do think things like poverty do need to be addressed, so I agree with you there.


I'm not sure what you mean by percentage within a percentage. Of all crimes, blacks commit 27.8%. Of all violent crimes, blacks commit 37.7%. These are, to be sure, a percentage of 100%, but I can't see why that would be relevant. Police ought to be around where the crimes are, and we should expect the police killings of a group to scale to their involvement with the police. What specifically do you mean by "percentage within a percentage?" Here's where I'm getting my numbers:

FBI Crime Stats
Police Killing Demos
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theYchromosome wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I think your numbers are a bit mixed up. It's more or less a percentage within a percentage. Not all crimes are violent. Although I do think things like poverty do need to be addressed, so I agree with you there.


I'm not sure what you mean by percentage within a percentage. Of all crimes, blacks commit 27.8%. Of all violent crimes, blacks commit 37.7%. These are to be sure, a percentage of 100%, but I can't see why that would be relevant. Police ought to be around where the crimes are, and we should expect the police killings of a group to scale to their involvement with the police. What specifically do you mean by "percentage within a percentage?" Here's where I'm getting my numbers:

FBI Crime Stats
Police Killing Demos


37% within 27% is like....something. I'm just being nitpicky though.
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