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I think your numbers are a bit mixed up. It's more or less a percentage within a percentage. Not all crimes are violent. Although I do think things like poverty do need to be addressed, so I agree with you there.


I'm not sure what you mean by percentage within a percentage. Of all crimes, blacks commit 27.8%. Of all violent crimes, blacks commit 37.7%. These are to be sure, a percentage of 100%, but I can't see why that would be relevant. Police ought to be around where the crimes are, and we should expect the police killings of a group to scale to their involvement with the police. What specifically do you mean by "percentage within a percentage?" Here's where I'm getting my numbers:

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37% within 27% is like....something. I'm just being nitpicky though.


I see. No, it's not 37% of 27%. You take all the violent crimes (murder, rape, assault, etc.). Blacks commit 37%. You take all crimes (Those plus things like DUI, fraud, embezzlement, etc.) and Blacks commit 27%. It's not 37% of 27%. You could run that calculation if all people committed violent crimes at the same rate that they do any other crime, but they don't. Whites, for instance, have higher rates of non-violent crimes, while blacks have more violent crimes.
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theYchromosome wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


theYchromosome wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I think your numbers are a bit mixed up. It's more or less a percentage within a percentage. Not all crimes are violent. Although I do think things like poverty do need to be addressed, so I agree with you there.


I'm not sure what you mean by percentage within a percentage. Of all crimes, blacks commit 27.8%. Of all violent crimes, blacks commit 37.7%. These are to be sure, a percentage of 100%, but I can't see why that would be relevant. Police ought to be around where the crimes are, and we should expect the police killings of a group to scale to their involvement with the police. What specifically do you mean by "percentage within a percentage?" Here's where I'm getting my numbers:

FBI Crime Stats
Police Killing Demos


37% within 27% is like....something. I'm just being nitpicky though.


I see. No, it's not 37% of 27%. You take all the violent crimes (murder, rape, assault, etc.). Blacks commit 37%. You take all crimes (Those plus things like DUI, fraud, embezzlement, etc.) and Blacks commit 27%. It's not 37% of 27%. You could run that calculation if all people committed violent crimes at the same rate that they do any other crime, but they don't. Whites, for instance, have higher rates of non-violent crimes, while blacks have more violent crimes.


I didn't mean it literally, I just got confused. Tys.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I didn't mean it literally, I just got confused. Tys.


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How is this what gets attention here and not the fact that Trump is willing to deliver our allies to Russia if they don't pay more for NATO?


quite frankly, I know we are allies but if Russia goes to war with someone other than us, then I don't want us to go to their aid, because that means boom at war with Russia
nukes incoming


id rather lose a country than the world


So let me get this straight. You Yanks were basically the founding father of NATO. An organisation originally designed to keep Russian aggression in check. And now that we have actual verified and ever increasing Russian aggression you want to run crying to mommy saying the bad boys are bullying you?

You Yanks created this whole east vs west bullshit and now you expect the rest of us to deal with the fallout. Tell me why we shouldn't just hand the Russian army a road map and a couple of plane tickets?


No, NATO was not created because of Russian aggression. It was created because of the Soviet Union and communist aggression. The Soviet Union no longer exist nowadays. Communists are not threatening to take over Europe. The Cold War ended with a western victory. Period. I don't see the Russians sending suicide bombers to America and Europe. There's lots of differences between Russia and us but they want to defeat Islamic terrorism as well, and that's why Donald Trump supports Russia's bombing of ISIS. Donald Trump is absolutely right about NATO. America is paying billions of dollars defending European countries against some imaginary threat from Russia. Europe is in huge trouble with terrorism and insame immigration policy. We should be fighting terrorism now. Just leave Russia alone. Don't provoke them. Do you seriously think Russia is threatening Europe like the Soviet Union did??? America had troops in Iceland until like a decade ago. Even in the days of the Cold war, that's unecessary. Who's gonna invade a country like Iceland??? Why are we sending troops to defend countries like Spain, Portugal, Italy, UK etc. Donald Trump is right. If they want help, they pay for it. They should be like France. France takes care of their own national defense because they're so proud of their own country. Even Israel can defend themselves. The other European countries should have some guts now to defend themselves. And also Japan, it's time for them to change their constitution and tough up themselves, not rely on America forever. I fully agree with Donald Trump's foreign policy. America First!


Mate the USSR may no longer exist but the Russians haven't really changed in the slightest. I mean the annexation of Crimea isn't exactly kosher. It is in fact such a violation of international law that it alone could serve as the sole justification for any military action taken against Russia. Not to mention it was a violation of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, which by the way Russia signed.

Russia is showing the same exact territorial desires and disregard for international law that the USSR did. And the only fact stopping the UN from passing stronger resolutions against Russia is the fact Russia keeps vetoing such resolutions using it's position on the security council in abusive ways. NATO is one of the few methods to directly force Russia to any sort of change since NATO resolutions are out of their jurisdiction. Disregarding this kind of arrogant breach of international law and allowing Russia to take whatever it wants only shows Trump's inability to to truly lead any nation least one like the USA.

And supporting President Bashar al Assad does not make Russia an ally against terrorism. Assad has tortured , imprisoned , and even killed his own people. Furthermore he has ignored the democratic process that put him in power to begin with by refusing to step aside when practically his entire country has ordered him to. And more damning is that Assad forces have shown no hesitation to bomb and attack hospitals and even schools. They are using Russian aid to kill fucking children simply because their parents want nothing to do with an Assad lead government. And are opposing the authoritarian and illegal regime of Assad through force of arms.

As for the country's you've named , Spain for example couldn't contribute anymore even if pressed. Or have you forgotten the economic troubles sweeping many of the EU members? And Japan has in fact finally renegotiated the treaty that has kept their army small and useless. A treaty that may I remind you that you Yanks forced them to sign and obey at the end of World War 2. Or have you conveniently forgotten that? Not to mention by this point anyone with half a brain knows the Presidents since the end of WW2 have kept troops in Japan less to enforce that treaty and more to have an advance base of operations against the ever increasing disturbing sabre rattling of the People's Republic of China.

Mate the days when isolationism was a viable policy have long since passed. There is no sideline in the tensions and outright war sweeping the world. And the fact Trump and his supporters think so is madness of the highest kind.
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Well, I think it has a better ring than; "What do we want!? Cops dead! When do we want it!? Now!"

BLM, Feminism, All Lives Matter, police, and even the late French aristocracy receive scathing backlash when there is a seemingly alarming lack of internal policing to curb outliers who grant groups shades of extremism. Should people step back from their alarmist and sectarianist ideals, and put active and blatant effort into regulating their own, I imagine we will begin to see a mitigation of tensions. As it stands, people tend to be more concerned with casting blame and fighting than in finding solutions!
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The whole point of "Black Lives Matter" IS "All Lives Matter"

No. It's not.


the reason they say "Black" instead of "All" is because they feel their lives are worth less than others in the eyes of law enforcement,

Correct. A mistaken ideology.


and that's why so many are dying to police.

Statistics?


The normal republican response of "All Lives Matter" in response to Black Lives Matter is because they think the group BLM is saying black lives matter more than others. . .
That's exactly what a lot of them are advocating.


. . . Personally I think most of this confusing shit can be avoided if the BLM movement just changed their slogan a little to "Black Lives Matter Too".

Or, they could quit ignorantly preaching like "all lives matter" is a racist term. It's quite ironic that a group that swears up and down that they are oppressed refuse to operate under a slogan that effectively puts them as equals among every person regardless of their race, gender, or any other arbitrary defining factors of a human being.


Ranwolf wrote:


redokami wrote:


PhantomGundam wrote:

How is this what gets attention here and not the fact that Trump is willing to deliver our allies to Russia if they don't pay more for NATO?


quite frankly, I know we are allies but if Russia goes to war with someone other than us, then I don't want us to go to their aid, because that means boom at war with Russia
nukes incoming


id rather lose a country than the world


So let me get this straight. You Yanks were basically the founding father of NATO. An organisation originally designed to keep Russian aggression in check. And now that we have actual verified and ever increasing Russian aggression you want to run crying to mommy saying the bad boys are bullying you?

You Yanks created this whole east vs west bullshit and now you expect the rest of us to deal with the fallout. Tell me why we shouldn't just hand the Russian army a road map and a couple of plane tickets?

Whoa there, buddyboy. I didn't found nothin'. I swear eet on me mum.
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I don't get how all these people don't understand that BLM doesn't mean "white lives don't matter" it just means "stop killing us, our lives matter too" for fucks sake


Over 50% of the murders in the USA are done by blacks, blacks kill blacks over 90% of the time. That's batting well above their 13% of the population. More "whites" are killed by the police in both raw numbers and percent, do you know what that means?
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So let me get this straight. You Yanks were basically the founding father of NATO. An organisation originally designed to keep Russian aggression in check. And now that we have actual verified and ever increasing Russian aggression you want to run crying to mommy saying the bad boys are bullying you?

You Yanks created this whole east vs west bullshit and now you expect the rest of us to deal with the fallout. Tell me why we shouldn't just hand the Russian army a road map and a couple of plane tickets?


Pretty sure your country was one of the founding members of NATO. You'd know that if you ever served.

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-Dattebayo wrote:

I don't get how all these people don't understand that BLM doesn't mean "white lives don't matter" it just means "stop killing us, our lives matter too" for fucks sake


Over 50% of the murders in the USA are done by blacks, blacks kill blacks over 90% of the time. That's batting well above their 13% of the population. More "whites" are killed by the police in both raw numbers and percent, do you know what that means?


You're gonna trigger someone.

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What's wrong with saying all lives matter? I don't see a problem.


You've been on the planet for 26 years......... and you can't rub two brain cells together to generate some form of empathy...


When i hear someone say something i always try to see it from there point of view. I guess some people can't..

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It's like saying all houses matter when one house is on fire
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It's like saying all houses matter when one house is on fire


OpinionGirl has opinions.
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D4nc3Style wrote:


VZ68 wrote:


-Dattebayo wrote:

I don't get how all these people don't understand that BLM doesn't mean "white lives don't matter" it just means "stop killing us, our lives matter too" for fucks sake


Over 50% of the murders in the USA are done by blacks, blacks kill blacks over 90% of the time. That's batting well above their 13% of the population. More "whites" are killed by the police in both raw numbers and percent, do you know what that means?


You're gonna trigger someone.



Yeah you triggered the White House to release a statement.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-black-lives-matter-terrorist-organization


Hate to break it to you but black lives do matter, and police(which includes black police officers) do treat the black community as a whole differently. It could be a cultural thing. There is A LOT more mention crime and hate in rap than in any other type of music. There aren't a lot of positive black role models in media outside of sports or acting(two nearly impossibly selective professions) to combat against that message. Then you have peer pressure and social media that reinforces that stereotype in the minds of young blacks and people like yourself.

If anyone was serious fixing the problem they would fight that message with a positive message of their own, not demonizing them.

Music is getting better these days, less actual crime references and more reference about ass.
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I sure do!


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D4nc3Style wrote:


VZ68 wrote:


-Dattebayo wrote:

I don't get how all these people don't understand that BLM doesn't mean "white lives don't matter" it just means "stop killing us, our lives matter too" for fucks sake


Over 50% of the murders in the USA are done by blacks, blacks kill blacks over 90% of the time. That's batting well above their 13% of the population. More "whites" are killed by the police in both raw numbers and percent, do you know what that means?


You're gonna trigger someone.



Yeah you triggered the White House to release a statement.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-black-lives-matter-terrorist-organization


Hate to break it to you but black lives do matter, and police(which includes black police officers) do treat the black community as a whole differently. It could be a cultural thing. There is A LOT more mention crime and hate in rap than in any other type of music. There aren't a lot of positive black role models in media outside of sports or acting(two nearly impossibly selective professions) to combat against that message. Then you have peer pressure and social media that reinforces that stereotype in the minds of young blacks and people like yourself.

If anyone was serious fixing the problem they would fight that message with a positive message of their own, not demonizing them.

Music is getting better these days, less actual crime references and more reference about ass.


Never said they didn't matter, but the BLM movement is a fucking joke.

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Never said they didn't matter, but the BLM movement is a fucking joke.



We are here talking about the problem are we not? I think it was super effective. Just like how you have a few wicked people in the police force there are people who do heinous acts underneath this banner. It sucks but we have to face that reality and try to better the movement.
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