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Posted 7/23/16 , edited 7/24/16

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Well since were on the subject of atrocities..Why is it only that white people are blamed for slavery when Jews were even more involved?


How many freaking Neo-Nazis can there be in one forum ?
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dragontackle wrote:

Well since were on the subject of atrocities..Why is it only that white people are blamed for slavery when Jews were even more involved?


How many freaking Neo-Nazis can there be in one forum ?


How does asking a question on why common American history solely focuses white people being responsible for Slavery equate to being a Neo Nazi? Stop false flagging shit.
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dragontackle wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:


dragontackle wrote:

Well since were on the subject of atrocities..Why is it only that white people are blamed for slavery when Jews were even more involved?


How many freaking Neo-Nazis can there be in one forum ?


How does asking a question on why common American history solely focuses white people being responsible for Slavery equate to being a Neo Nazi? Stop false flagging shit.


Why are Jews different from white people for example?
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dragontackle wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:


dragontackle wrote:

Well since were on the subject of atrocities..Why is it only that white people are blamed for slavery when Jews were even more involved?


How many freaking Neo-Nazis can there be in one forum ?


How does asking a question on why common American history solely focuses white people being responsible for Slavery equate to being a Neo Nazi? Stop false flagging shit.


He just hates white people.
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Posted 7/24/16 , edited 7/24/16

Elynne06 wrote:

People also like to ignore modern day slavery.


Yes, we're ALL slaves. Best believe it.
But actual slavery dose still exist in some parts. But you and i are all indeed slaves.

And lol @ if anyone here posts anything about Jews they get reported instantly. Even if they have facts to back it up or its just their opinion..

And nobody really answered what a few of us have said, Blacks sold their own people into slavery and Muslim Arabs had and sold black slaves also so why aren't kids taught that in school and why aren't the balcks seeking redemption or compensation from the Arabs?


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Personally, I don't see why white people should feel guilty. That being said, I do not believe slavery or the herding of natives should be drawn upon as a source of pride, either. In the end, a topic such as this will only serve to divide posters along skin colour, which could be detrimental to the CR community.




I dont feel any guilt. None what so ever. However, there was a time, and for some time that i think i did. i was a bit of a do gooder (i bloody hate do gooders). It's drilled into white people from a young age.
Almost like we need to feel sorry for non white people or something. But then you get older and you realise that life is hard and aint nothing handed to me.
Plus you get sick or reverse racisim and double standards and race traitors and etc.

I personally take no pride what so ever in whites conducting in slavery in the past. i find it hard to believe or imagine things being like that but it was what it was and whites of today should not feel any guilt nor take any blame what so ever.
The world was a different place back then. Not yet connected nor fully discovered. Not yet fully civilized. Whites were superior in ways, not because of the colour of their skin but due to technology and science, etc
I think at least the whites didn't just slaughter everybody like they could have. Such as here in Australia with the Aboriginies.
It sucks what happened but i mean it seems that Aboriginies are just raised to hate the white man and just refuse to become part of society and take hand out for a large part.
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people want a scapegoat. people love using white people because of instances where white people had slaves or did this and that. However, the fact that African warlords also had slaves and pretty much every race kept slaves at some point in time doesn't fit the narrative that they want to push. When people don't like a certain opinion, they love to use factors that you can't control such as race, gender, or sexual orientation to exclude you from speaking your mind. Frankly, that approach to debate and discourse is stupid and ignorant. However, it an easy argument to use to validate your opinion without having to deal with pesky things like facts, statistics, or diverse circumstances
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to think that people believe only white folk can be racist. i just don't get it. but hey, people also believe incest and beastiality are ok too... it's just the kind of world we live in
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xxxAnime_lover123xxxYou call my point of view a fallacy over and over, but have you read the opening post? There are tons of fallacies in there, why don't you call his point of views fallacy? Is it because you agree with him?


The reason is because the topic is not a simple matter and a satisfactory rebuttal would require a fair amount of fact-checking and research. As this is a general discussion forum and not an academic journal, putting that kind of investment may not be worth the time; however, one has the potential to respond with similar, sweeping statements such as:

"In the USA, many people blame immigrants for issues plaguing our contemporary society. However, why do they often overlook facts like the following?"

OR

"In the USA, many blame African/Asian/Gypsy/Middle Eastern/Indian/South American/Russian (etc.) people for not doing enough to tackle poverty, corruption, extremism, apathy in their respective communities, which contributes to the corrosion of traditional American values. However, why do they often overlook facts like the following?"

Then go on to list a few things that may hold a modicum of significance on their own but, in the absence of context, end up nothing more than a grasp at straws in an attempt to counter a non-existent argument.

To promote discussion, the OP could instead have tried, "Why is it that some in the USA blame 'white people' for certain historical atrocities?" Then follow-up with research to refute each point. Whereas the way it is now puts the onus on the reader to do the homework.

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Personally, I don't see why white people should feel guilty. That being said, I do not believe slavery or the herding of natives should be drawn upon as a source of pride, either. In the end, a topic such as this will only serve to divide posters along skin colour, which could be detrimental to the CR community.


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While it is true that white people haven't done anything that any other color on Earth has already done, the key difference is the scale and impact of our actions. The Trans-Atlantic slave trade was unique in the sheer scale that was involved, unlike anything anyone had ever done before. Also, the institution of slavery in the Americas was key in constructing the series of rationalizations that led to the construction of a social belief system that planted the seeds for the concept of "race" which was used to degrade an entire class of people for the colour of their skin. It was a massive operation that took place over the course of centuries, involved millions of people, and was instrumental in constructing the economies of the New World colonies. You can't really compare that to any other contemporary slavery and say that they're equal.

And for Native Americans, we still see the consequences of how colonization effected them, even today. In Canada, most native people live on reserves which are practically isolated third world countries. This is because the government gave them shitty land during the mutual treaty agreements, and then for the next hundred or so years applied the old adage "out of sight, out of mind". So saying that "x native tribe were stealing land from y native tribe" doesn't really have much relevance. I guarantee you that the average modern native from Tribe X doesn't hate Tribe Y for their historical wrongdoings, because he doesn't have to deal with the consequences of that anymore. What he most certainly has to deal with though is the reserve system and the economic struggles that come with it.

What I'm trying to get at here is scale and relevance. Compared to what white people were doing, similar atrocities committed by other groups throughout history pale in comparison, and the people who have been effected are still dealing with the consequences. So the atrocities committed by Europeans are still very relevant, which is why they persist in popular memory compared to what ever the hell was going on in Africa, or the Middle-East, or Asia.
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Using such examples to downplay the racial politics of American slavery is just stupid. Yes, they're all true, but trying to make American slavery seem less racist and discriminatory in comparison because "Blacks sold their own into slavery" and "blacks own slaves" does not dispute the ugly reality that yes, American Slavery was essentially promoting an imperialistic and social Darwinist view on non whites. To say that American Slavery wasn't really all about race is just revisionism that the history books are trying to remedy. Seriously? This is shit like this that makes people hate right wingers.
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Using such examples to downplay the racial politics of American slavery is just stupid. Yes, they're all true, but trying to make American slavery seem less racist and discriminatory in comparison because "Blacks sold their own into slavery" and "blacks own slaves" does not dispute the ugly reality that yes, American Slavery was essentially promoting an imperialistic and social Darwinist view on non whites. To say that American Slavery wasn't really all about race is just revisionism that the history books are trying to remedy. Seriously? This is shit like this that makes people hate right wingers.
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D4nc3Style wrote:


dragontackle wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:


dragontackle wrote:

Well since were on the subject of atrocities..Why is it only that white people are blamed for slavery when Jews were even more involved?


How many freaking Neo-Nazis can there be in one forum ?


How does asking a question on why common American history solely focuses white people being responsible for Slavery equate to being a Neo Nazi? Stop false flagging shit.


He just hates white people.

He's just being edgy.


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Using such examples to downplay the racial politics of American slavery is just stupid. Yes, they're all true, but trying to make American slavery seem less racist and discriminatory in comparison because "Blacks sold their own into slavery" and "blacks own slaves" does not dispute the ugly reality that yes, American Slavery was essentially promoting an imperialistic and social Darwinist view on non whites. To say that American Slavery wasn't really all about race is just revisionism that the history books are trying to remedy. Seriously? This is shit like this that makes people hate right wingers.

Downplayed? At the highest point of slavery about 1.6% of the white population owned slaves. You know how many free blacks did? 1 in 4. And they treated their slaves like shit, too. To top it off, I'm pretty sure that statistic never accounted for the amount of slaves, either. So we have a disproportionate amount of blacks owning other blacks in comparison.

Slavery, although it did promote a large culture of racism, was never about racism in the first place, its about power. This time in history just so happened to have Africans getting the shit end of the stick, and they were mostly people that would have been slaves in their country of origin regardless.

So, no. You're incorrect.
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Using such examples to downplay the racial politics of American slavery is just stupid. Yes, they're all true, but trying to make American slavery seem less racist and discriminatory in comparison because "Blacks sold their own into slavery" and "blacks own slaves" does not dispute the ugly reality that yes, American Slavery was essentially promoting an imperialistic and social Darwinist view on non whites. To say that American Slavery wasn't really all about race is just revisionism that the history books are trying to remedy. Seriously? This is shit like this that makes people hate right wingers.


Holy shit, I actually agree with you for once.
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Using such examples to downplay the racial politics of American slavery is just stupid. Yes, they're all true, but trying to make American slavery seem less racist and discriminatory in comparison because "Blacks sold their own into slavery" and "blacks own slaves" does not dispute the ugly reality that yes, American Slavery was essentially promoting an imperialistic and social Darwinist view on non whites. To say that American Slavery wasn't really all about race is just revisionism that the history books are trying to remedy. Seriously? This is shit like this that makes people hate right wingers.
it's like saying "whatabout Jew on Jew crime?" When historical atrocities like the holocuast was occurring.

that's derailment
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It wasn't race. Europeans and Americans came to some sort of conclusion where, if you don't speak our language and follow our customs, you're not civilized. And Europeans and Americans felt it was their duty to bring what they called "civilization" to the rest of the world, regardless of the already pre-existing culture that was there. Had the majority of the population living in Africa, India, North America or the East Indies, in the 18th century, been white instead of anything but white, the Europeans and Americans would have done the exact same thing. "Culture" was viewed as any society who believed in the Christian faith, and under the guise of saving the souls of those "heathens" around the world that were not Christian, Europeans and Americans justified the enslavement of others. Once the people there were subjugated into accepting European languages, beliefs and customs, then other aspects of the native population, such as doing autopsies to discover anatomical "inferiorities" to further justify the continued subjugation, we're done.

So, no, it was not, initially, a racially motivated desire to enslave Africans, Indians, etc. It was done under the pretext of religion, and the belief that by doing so, the souls of those being enslaved would be saved. The Greek did it during their time in the sun. So did the Romans, the Gauls, the Huns, the Moors, etc. White people enslaved other white people and whomever else they came upon because, as they were not a part of their culture, felt that they were not civilized and did it to make them so.

Not that this makes the act of enslavement, regardless of the era or context, any less sinister. But to say that a group of people enslaved another group of people out of prejudice makes little sense when history has shown that every race has enslaved its own time and time again.
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Meanwhile Africa and Asia still have slaves while slavery has been banned in western nations.

Really were also the first to ban slavery and give equal rights to all while the "oppressed" nations still live like savages. From the sounds of it those places really are uncivilized.
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