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Posted 7/24/16 , edited 7/24/16
We really have to change our prison system, this is crazy.


I spent 2 years in a Texas prison. I will tell you that it really is all about the dollar. I wanna give you all a insight into what prison life is really like. Now I am not a educated person so sorry if my spelling is wrong. I was aressted for growing 2 pot plants a feloney in Texas carrys the same charge if I was cooking meth. Let me tell you prison is the most god awfull place I have ever been to. You have no rights in there you have no freedom. The guards are mean as hell when they dont really have to be. They force you to sign up for collage and if u dont you go to lock down till you break. A gaurd told me that the warden gets a bonus for more inmates that attend collage. NO ONE that I know of ever graduated and the tax payer money pays for that wardens bonus. There is no ac and if u live in texas u know how hot it gets. They have one large fan for a dorm of 56 men but most of the time it doesnt work. The heat in the winter sucks. U are always cold and sometimes for punishment they will shut the heat off for 2 or 3 days. The private prisons are the worst. The gaurds dont care about anything. drugs,rape,stabbings I watched a older man die of a heart attack feel right on the floor took the guards almost a hour to come get him. He had a wife and 5 kids at home. Now I am not saying that I should have just been let go cause I did break the law,,a stupid law but hey I broke it. I have been out for about 4 years now. My wife and I have 2 girls and we struggle everyday to make ends meet. I am on food stamps and my kids are on medicaid. NO ONE will give me a job. By law I have to tell people that I am a felon and who wants to hire somone who has been to prison. Walmart wont even touch me and the local mcdonalds even turned me down. The point I guess I am trying to make here is even when u done ur time learned ur leason and want to be a good american citizen the doors get slammed in ur face. last year I couldnt even buy my kids christmas,,I was broke,, my mom sent me money so I could buy them something. do you know how sick that made me?? How less of a man I felt? Some people told me go to the toys for tots but I dont want a hand out I want to WORK and work hard to provide for my family and buy my kids new cloths not cloths from the goodwill. But my peers have turned there back on me and wont even give me a damn chance. If it wasnt for my mother my family and I would be homeless. This is wrong and something needs to be done but who would ever listen to a felon,,a criminal the scum of the earth. I am sure you all here about the local guy who robbed a bank or gas station and had been in prison before. But no one cares to ask why he did it. I have those same thoughts every month when the bills come in,,when its time to buy school cloths or when the car breaks down on the side of the road 50 miles from home with 2 small children. Thats why people go back to prison cause they have no other option. they cant better themselves cause no one cares to give them a chance. this has got to be changed. sorry if I rammbled but this really upsets me.


"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the United States Government Officials take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indians." Henry Ford
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It's really good and institutionalizing people. Makes somewhat decent people bad and bad people worse.(that applies to inmates and the corrections officers.
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Yeah the prison system needs dire changing.
Posted 7/24/16
That was sad
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yeah ok it is sad but im pretty sure prison systems suck almost anywhere. i mean it is a place for punishment
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Sogno- wrote:

yeah ok it is sad but im pretty sure prison systems suck almost anywhere. i mean it is a place for punishment


"In general, prison should have five goals, as described by criminologist Bob Cameron: retribution, incapacitation, deterrence, restoration, and rehabilitation."

Yes, punishment is part of the purpose of prison, but it is far from the only part. The US prison system fails pretty majorly at several of the goals of the prison system. Not to mention, the system of punishments laid out is horribly flawed and disproportionate to the crime committed in a lot of cases. Most notably, the "War on Drugs", which increased punishments to ludicrous levels to serve as a deterrence, and even though that goal failed majorly, it still has not been fully reevaluated despite being implemented over forty years ago.

The US prison system is broken any way you look at it.
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yeah ok it is sad but im pretty sure prison systems suck almost anywhere. i mean it is a place for punishment


As I see it prison serves three main purposes. Punish crime, protect society from criminals, and rehabilitate offenders. The current system is very good at punishment, mediocre at protection, and fails utterly at rehabilitation.

There is also reform needed in our laws and sentencing. Simply put, we lock up too many people for far too long; often for actions that should not even be illegal.
Posted 7/24/16 , edited 7/24/16
Sad, could be worse.

Alaska has some companies that hire felons. Not sure about other states. It might be time to look beyond where he is currently living.
http://jobsforfelonshub.com/locations/jobs-for-felons-in-anchorage-alaska/
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Prison policy is a great website if you would like more infromation
You can get this information by state as well: http://www.prisonpolicy.org/profiles/
Posted 7/25/16
You mean this? https://youtu.be/502zLfzUWmc?t=21m3s This? https://youtu.be/01mTKDaKa6Q

I wish that you could just flip your judicial system around over night in favor of your people, so that your society would cease to deteriorate, and instead see a rise in productivity, as it would be in everyone's best interest, even to us here in Europe to some degree, which, excluding things like broader media coverage for instance, is in part why we take somewhat of an interest in U.S. policies to begin with, because of self-interest; it's in our self-interest that you do well, not worse. But, in order to change your judicial system, so as to work for you, rather than against you, tax returns would have to be spent in a way so as to deter crime, rather than perhaps in part unintentionally advocate it. As of now, your tax returns are simply skipping vital steps in the sociological process, so that instead of being spent on deterring crime, it's later on in the process spent on keeping crime that could've been deterred in check, either through law enforcement or extended prison sentences, in part because it is believed to save money, and in part because you see no other choice now that your culture has developed to these extremes.

I mean, I wouldn't advocate drastic changes over night. I say, I wish you could-- but you can't, or rather, you can-- but shouldn't. It needs to be a gradual process. Society is a vast complex structure, in which bits and pieces here and there, many of which are unexpected to be tied together in some way, needs to be lined up with the goals you wish to achieve.

If you look at people in society as joints in a cobweb, you'll come to realize that it's best to strengthen a joint that's about to break, rather than to remove it. Because when you remove a joint, the joints around said joint will be weakened, and the joints around those joints again will be weakened, too, and on, and on, and on it goes. If you look at prisoners as inhumane, as people who aren't human, as animals, as things who don't have family or friends, people who don't, or who wouldn't, or whom couldn't possibly have a positive effect on the people around them, then that is your first mistake. I mean, let's say you have a brother who should be in prison and whose line of thought needs a fresh perspective, now I take him from you, lock him away forever or kill him, because it makes me feel good to turn your brother into a scapegoat, a martyr, now tell me it doesn't effect you negatively, and in turn effect the people around you negatively, and in turn effects the people around them again negatively. It's not deterring crime, is it? It's being perpetuated, and worsened. It's just spreading, out of control.

And, I doubt that anyone believes that this is simply a moral issue. Perhaps it is, at first glance, superficially, but it is also an economical issue when you look at it in depth. The harder the prisons, the harder the prisoners, because humans are the most durable monsters on this planet who will adapt to any environment you throw them in. Give them a taste of what a good life is like and show them how to achieve it and they will aim to do better. The sooner prisoners can return to society, the sooner they can be productive members of society. But how are you supposed to make them productive members of society?

As soon as you drop that whole "Justice! Justice! Justice!"- crap, which is just another word for "revenge", you might actually begin to see some improvement. And, I don't mean that the people have to be aware of this all the time, I mean that the government should. I don't expect people to stop being humans. We can't stop people from having feelings, and we certainly shouldn't invalidate people's feelings. We get that they want "justice", that they want "revenge", we can empathize with that. But, when we are impartial to your suffering, we are also capable of realizing that "justice" (revenge) is not a long term solution that has constructive effects on you or the rest of society. The problem, is that we, as people, can't always be impartial. We can't be impartial when the suffering happens to ourselves, and that is where our government must step in for us, so as to be neutral where we can't be. They can be there to uphold the best in us, the things that we know, but can't do.

Another thing that's detrimental, a big hurdle towards rehabilitation, is your media, who is allowed to do whatever they want, which includes releasing extensive information about any and all types of people and their crimes, so that these people can be hunted and demonized, so that they can never return to society as normal functioning human beings, because the media assured that their social lives were ruined. Your media, and those of you who participated in the witch hunt, and the dehumanization, put them through social death, which means that they will no longer be eligible for rehabilitation, and they might as well stay in prison forever. That is, if they can survive your prisons at all; if your media hasn't assured their assassination in prison. The media loves to fuel passion, to fuel hatred, to fuel revenge, to fuel vigilantism, because they're tabloid, they rely on advertisement, they rely on sales, all of them, none of them are government funded. The bigger, and dumber, and more atrocious, the more you buy into their shit, the more sales there will be. And they are allowed to, because of "freedom of the press" / "freedom of speech", but where does their freedom end, and yours as a citizen begin? "Freedom of the press" and "freedom of speech", do you also, seriously, want it to include destroying people's lives? What about your life? What if you became a suspect in a murder case, for instance? What do you think would happen to you? Because the majority of people who read "suspect in a murder case" don't actually read "suspect" they only read "murderer", they have labeled you a murderer as soon as you are on the cover, your social life is ruined. Where is your freedom in all of this? Because it certainly sounds less like your freedom to take it up the ass, and more like their freedom to shove it up your ass. So, could the media's rights to publish whatever the fuck they want perhaps not be curbed, just a little bit? Why does it, like everything else, have to be taken to extremes? These people that have been hunted and demonized by the media, by the way, will have an effect on other people in prison, people who could be rehabilitated. So, that's an issue, as well.

Ps. I use the term "you" in its plural form. It's not directed at the OP or anyone else individually.
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Sogno- wrote:

yeah ok it is sad but im pretty sure prison systems suck almost anywhere. i mean it is a place for punishment



This ain't so bad for a prison, is it?
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Sogno- wrote:
yeah ok it is sad but im pretty sure prison systems suck almost anywhere. i mean it is a place for punishment
yes and no..
at least it can be better then what he said...and no wonder a whole area or towns WILL be affected by this.
So this will just make the whole area worse to live in.
Also there are many places where its some better conditions, but then again money behind all of that + a lot of other stuff.

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