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Posted 7/25/16

reaperx- wrote:

Mhm. On top of this, the therapeutic market in Japan is incredibly small... therapists are a rarity.


If I remember correctly, therapy has a pretty big stigma attached to it because of the Japanese emphasis on "deal with your own problems and don't trouble anyone else".
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Posted 7/25/16 , edited 7/25/16

walker1455 wrote:


reaperx- wrote:

Mhm. On top of this, the therapeutic market in Japan is incredibly small... therapists are a rarity.


If I remember correctly, therapy has a pretty big stigma attached to it because of the Japanese emphasis on "deal with your own problems and don't trouble anyone else".


^correct.

There's a lot wrong with Japan socially as of now, and there sadly isn't being much change done. Hopefully as the younger generation begins to move into positions of power we'll start to see it.
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I don't see what the problem is. He was just farming xp off low level mobs.
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monkeyhobo wrote:

I don't see what the problem is. He was just farming xp off low level mobs.

Ah. Been a while since I've been subjected to dark humor.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tokyo-japan-deadly-knife-attack/


Before we get into the "Ban knives" argument, I'd like to derail for a moment into mental health area, in a country where therapy is stigmatized and notorious for a unusually high suicide rate. What do you think can be done? Should healthcare like this be subsidized or provided for by the government?



It's already been said but the culture is part of the reason. Not to mention the tiny bit of living space. You can only cram so many people into a tin can before someone starts to lose it. They either need to start emigrating people to other countries (though this is a rather poor option economically and what not), or start working on some expansion outside of the cities. Artificially increase Japan's land area, start promoting people to move out into the boonies. Just something to get people away from each other.
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Uh oh, Saika strikes again!
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YEEESH


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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

And no in is interested in joining me in a hearty debate on mental health, because "Muh guns". Way to go assholes.


What's there to debate? I am American not Japanese. I think they need to change the whole "guilty until proven innocent" before anything else. Heck some of those people might not even be mentally ill they just got accused of it.
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too few jobs,too many people,small little place,too much competition.
its like since born till the end days,everyday is a race,if not quick enough,will get trampled.
anyone that even got a bit emotional will go crazy,or at least fall into depression .
unlike western or european country,the japanese wont get any subsidize when they go unemployed.

no work....no pay....cant pay rent = crazy...
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reaperx- wrote:

This guy was able to kill 15 people and fucking injure 45 with just a knife? Even if they're disabled.. that's nuts.



OK, this.^
Seriously, were there no able-bodied staff? Nobody capable of picking up a broom handle and cracking this guy's skull a good lick?


This is sad. I think he managed to kill so many because he had insider knowledge of the facility's layout, schedules or routines. He knew the blind spots and who would be where at particular times. There is no information on whether any staff were injured trying to stop him. Some people also freeze in shock. Then there's the possibility that maybe a few other staff had thoughts like him but don't act on it unless in a passive way.

I have heard of a case where a nurse attacked a man who'd harmed a patient in the Caribbean. The patient was an extremely disabled woman who never progressed from a new born. She still curled up in a tight foetal position and needed care like a new born though she'd grown to the size of a small 10 year old. Staff changing her nappies found that she'd been raped. A nurse climbed up on a wardrobe and hid waiting for the attacker to show up. He did. She jumped on his back and screamed so loud all the staff came running. A police tactical squad was driving by the hospital at that time so they were flagged down. They came in fully armed and surrounded the attacker. The average police aren't usually armed but this perpetrator was unlucky bringing down the wrath of an entire hospital on him for hurting their hospital "baby".
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Posted 7/26/16

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Before we get into the "Ban knives" argument, I'd like to derail for a moment into mental health area, in a country where therapy is stigmatized and notorious for a unusually high suicide rate. What do you think can be done? Should healthcare like this be subsidized or provided for by the government?



I'm not sure that anything can really be done, currently. It may be that Japan, as a culture, is dying because they are unable to accept that they're killing themselves in a figurative way. The people themselves would have to take action, and currently from all accounts they seem to put the whole thing on a level of "This is somebody else's problem." The economic realities of being an island nation would have to change. The government would have to change. All of that takes time.

Should this metaphorical healthcare be subsidized or provided by government? Not if it isn't already. I am not sure of the specifics of Japan's medical structure, but I am fairly sure most people have some form of health insurance, and that should include mental health. It should be something they're already paying for, with hospital/clinics, dental, and eye care.
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Posted 7/26/16

gornotck wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Before we get into the "Ban knives" argument, I'd like to derail for a moment into mental health area, in a country where therapy is stigmatized and notorious for a unusually high suicide rate. What do you think can be done? Should healthcare like this be subsidized or provided for by the government?



I'm not sure that anything can really be done, currently. It may be that Japan, as a culture, is dying because they are unable to accept that they're killing themselves in a figurative way. The people themselves would have to take action, and currently from all accounts they seem to put the whole thing on a level of "This is somebody else's problem." The economic realities of being an island nation would have to change. The government would have to change. All of that takes time.

Should this metaphorical healthcare be subsidized or provided by government? Not if it isn't already. I am not sure of the specifics of Japan's medical structure, but I am fairly sure most people have some form of health insurance, and that should include mental health. It should be something they're already paying for, with hospital/clinics, dental, and eye care.


I was mainly referring to America, but you have a valid point. Most Japanese are rich enough to pursue therapy, but they don't do so.
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Posted 7/26/16

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I was mainly referring to America, but you have a valid point. Most Japanese are rich enough to pursue therapy, but they don't do so.


As to America, I still don't really think it should be subsidized or whatever, but I have... experience... with the extreme costs of healthcare in the United States.

Even there, I think that health insurance should be, and really must be, an all-in-one package. Dental, eyes, mental, and hospital/clinics. Currently, I can work a full time job and not make enough money to afford health insurance, and I'm told that it is very "cheap" health insurance for what they offer. It is just absolutely impossible. Granted, it would be 'less' impossible if I had, as so many have, gotten married, or even formed a relationship with another person that developed into a living together deal, but that didn't happen. I do not fit the current metaphor of 'everything priced for a two-income household', which has been in place, to my understanding, since the late 70s to mid 80s. THAT, more than anything, may be one of the primary roots of America's Healthcare Crisis of AMERICA.
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And this sad story is why I am glad I live in Canada. For all it's faults that red and white flag looks after it's citizens far better then the vast majority of the world..Even better then our neighbours to the south the United States of America. And that is why I am not ashamed of anything I did in service of this country.

It is why I despite my hatred of the theft of my people's birthright I will defend Canada till the end. Cause there are a lot worse places out there. Places that let this kind of thing happen. Places where the local culture overrides basic humanity and decency. Places where people who obviously needed help fall through the cracks and end up doing these kinds of things.

People like to pretend the world is a decent place. I like to think of those kind of people as lazy cowards too afraid to see what sort of place the world is slowly becoming. But as long as we have this stupid policy of isolationism and borders separating us this kind of thing well happen time and time again. It shouldn't matter if your Canadian, American, or Japanese this is a problem we all have to deal with. We can't just ignore the warning signs just because we happen to live on a different side of the Pacific.

And while I don't believe wholeheartedly in a egalitarianism fantasy world I do believe in a meritocracy. But for merit to be truly measured we all have to be on a level playing field. And that isn't happening if let the world's problems fester simply to save ourselves the effort of helping out our fellow human beings simply because we aren't Japanese.

And people that truly believe in the bullshit that is isolationism in my mind deserve only shit and life as a homeless bum.
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Why is it that when I picture at least that area of Japan, I picture high crime rates? Lucky Star does that to at least some people. =_=
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