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When I think about the reason for Civil War.. Its all about fighting over the Slaves.. So Confederate (South) thinking that their way of life is in danger.. due to fear of losing business profit by having to let Slaves go, Since Slaves doesn't get pay and only get one meal or two a day.. having to hire someone to work in the field for them?

They just can't imagine having to lift a finger to clean their own house or make their own meals! XD

Union (North) They felt that its morally wrong to have slaves against their will, and believe that Freedom is for all not just one or few race. After the North won the war, the Slaves was finally free but.. they don't know what to do with their lives.. Since only thing they know is what they been doing all their life. Also They still get treated badly..

What your thoughts on US Civil War?

I heard that Slavery still exist in present day! If I'm not mistaken like in south Africa?!
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I think you need to go back to history class and retake the civil war test again is what I think.
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JanusCascade wrote:

When I think about the reason for Civil War.. Its all about fighting over the Slaves.. So Confederate (South) thinking that their way of life is in danger.. due to fear of losing business profit by having to let Slaves go, Since Slaves doesn't get pay and only get one meal or two a day.. having to hire someone to work in the field for them?

They just can't imagine having to lift a finger to clean their own house or make their own meals! XD

Union (North) They felt that its morally wrong to have slaves against their will, and believe that Freedom is for all not just one or few race. After the North won the war, the Slaves was finally free but.. they don't know what to do with their lives.. Since only thing they know is what they been doing all their life. Also They still get treated badly..

What your thoughts on US Civil War?

I heard that Slavery still exist in present day! If I'm not mistaken like in south Africa?!


Janus mate ya know I love ya but the American Civil War like any civil war isn't that simple. And while I am not supporting the pro-slavery mind set most of the Southern rebels likely had it is worth noting Jefferson did agree to abolish slavery in return for the right to seceded from the Union.

This of course was an offer that the North ignored completely, maintaining the whole of the Union was something that was near and dear to their hearts. I mean fuck the fact 750,000 soldiers on both sides died so the Yanks could shout "merica at the top of their lungs. But like I said you can't boil war down to such simplicity as you have here.
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The Civil War was initially fought over whether the policies of the federal government should supersede those of each individual state. The North believed that the federal government should be the ultimate authority while the South believed that the law should be determined by each individual state based on what would best serve their people. The Civil War was never initially about slavery, but was something that was added on later in the game.
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the american civil war was about what every single war in the history of mankind has been about: money and power
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In the words of Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens...


But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other -- though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.


More from Stephens...


Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.


Looks like an open and shut case.
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The American Civil War, as others have said, seemed to be a very multifaceted event, but at the end of the day I truly think slavery was the catalyst.

I've heard people say "The Civil War wasn't about slavery at all! It was all about States' Rights!" After reading quotes and documents from leaders on both sides - particularly Confederate leaders and State documents citing reasons for secession - I personally can't see this view as anything other than revisionism. If it was about "States' rights", then perhaps it is prudent to read what "rights" they felt were being infringed. You will find no shortage of direct quotes on the subject - which is a fact that is both illuminating and deeply disheartening as well.

The Civil War is a fascinating era to me. Full of despair and shreds of hope as well.
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The American Civil War, as others have said, seemed to be a very multifaceted event, but at the end of the day I truly think slavery was the catalyst.

I've heard people say "The Civil War wasn't about slavery at all! It was all about States' Rights!" After reading quotes and documents from leaders on both sides - particularly Confederate leaders and State documents citing reasons for secession - I personally can't see this view as anything other than revisionism.


That's precisely what it is. I live in the Deep South, so I've had more than my fair share of exposure to it.

http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/h-1643

http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/lost_cause_the
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Cait_Sidhe wrote:

The American Civil War, as others have said, seemed to be a very multifaceted event, but at the end of the day I truly think slavery was the catalyst.

I've heard people say "The Civil War wasn't about slavery at all! It was all about States' Rights!" After reading quotes and documents from leaders on both sides - particularly Confederate leaders and State documents citing reasons for secession - I personally can't see this view as anything other than revisionism. If it was about "States' rights", then perhaps it is prudent to read what "rights" they felt were being infringed. You will find no shortage of direct quotes on the subject - which is a fact that is both illuminating and deeply disheartening as well.

The Civil War is a fascinating era to me. Full of despair and shreds of hope as well.

False! It was started over the clashing of state rights versus national government control!
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Cait_Sidhe wrote:

The American Civil War, as others have said, seemed to be a very multifaceted event, but at the end of the day I truly think slavery was the catalyst.

I've heard people say "The Civil War wasn't about slavery at all! It was all about States' Rights!" After reading quotes and documents from leaders on both sides - particularly Confederate leaders and State documents citing reasons for secession - I personally can't see this view as anything other than revisionism. If it was about "States' rights", then perhaps it is prudent to read what "rights" they felt were being infringed. You will find no shortage of direct quotes on the subject - which is a fact that is both illuminating and deeply disheartening as well.

The Civil War is a fascinating era to me. Full of despair and shreds of hope as well.

False! It was started over the clashing of state rights to own slaves versus national government control to enact laws to abolish slavery !

There. Now you can both be right If only someone had invented html earlier the war might never have happened...
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I think you need to go back to history class and retake the civil war test again is what I think.

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Abe Lincoln originally wantednto reunite the union and KEEP slavery. It was only after attrition wore down both sides did Abe make slavery illegal in order to attract new recruits and convert newly captured slaves to our side.

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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


Cait_Sidhe wrote:

The American Civil War, as others have said, seemed to be a very multifaceted event, but at the end of the day I truly think slavery was the catalyst.

I've heard people say "The Civil War wasn't about slavery at all! It was all about States' Rights!" After reading quotes and documents from leaders on both sides - particularly Confederate leaders and State documents citing reasons for secession - I personally can't see this view as anything other than revisionism. If it was about "States' rights", then perhaps it is prudent to read what "rights" they felt were being infringed. You will find no shortage of direct quotes on the subject - which is a fact that is both illuminating and deeply disheartening as well.

The Civil War is a fascinating era to me. Full of despair and shreds of hope as well.

False! It was started over the clashing of state rights to own slaves versus national government control to enact laws to abolish slavery !


There. Now you can both be right If only someone had invented html earlier the war might never have happened...

I was just joking. I agree with him.


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VZ68 wrote:



I think you need to go back to history class and retake the civil war test again is what I think.

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Abe Lincoln originally wantednto reunite the union and KEEP slavery. It was only after attrition wore down both sides did Abe make slavery illegal in order to attract new recruits and convert newly captured slaves to our side.

No.. Lincoln's stance was that of indifference regarding slavery. He was morally opposed to it, but he said that "he believed it wasn't within his rights as a president" to abolish slavery as it was protected somewhat by the constitution.
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XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


RebRebel wrote:


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:


Cait_Sidhe wrote:

The American Civil War, as others have said, seemed to be a very multifaceted event, but at the end of the day I truly think slavery was the catalyst.

I've heard people say "The Civil War wasn't about slavery at all! It was all about States' Rights!" After reading quotes and documents from leaders on both sides - particularly Confederate leaders and State documents citing reasons for secession - I personally can't see this view as anything other than revisionism. If it was about "States' rights", then perhaps it is prudent to read what "rights" they felt were being infringed. You will find no shortage of direct quotes on the subject - which is a fact that is both illuminating and deeply disheartening as well.

The Civil War is a fascinating era to me. Full of despair and shreds of hope as well.

False! It was started over the clashing of state rights to own slaves versus national government control to enact laws to abolish slavery !


There. Now you can both be right If only someone had invented html earlier the war might never have happened...

I was just joking , I don't think slavery was anything to do with it . I don't agree with him at all he's completely wrong about everything! .


A flaw in my plan, the other side has html too! War is inevitable! The South will rise again!

(I'm not just bored, honest).
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In 1860 and '61, everyone in the South was very clear and forthright in explaining their reason for secession -- they were afraid the Republicans would abolish slavery and nothing more. Every Article and Declaration of Secession that gave a reason mentioned slavery and issues directly related to slavery. Nobody in the South at the time cared about states' rights -- the two biggest issues in domestic politics throughout the 1850s were (A) whether Northern states had an obligation to help Southern bounty hunters capture "runaway slaves" (oftentimes without any evidence that a person was in fact a runaway) and (B) whether the Federal government should dictate whether territories allowed slavery. In both cases, Southerners argued for the power of the Federal government.

Only after the war ended and Confederate leaders realized they were going to go down in history as the bad guys did they start arguing that there were all kinds of other issues at play. Unfortunately, a lot of Southern states still cling to this notion, and they force textbook manufacturers to include all kinds of made-up myths. But any serious modern historian will tell you, it's all lies -- slavery was the only issue at stake.
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The American civil war was entirely about money and power. Economics, if you will. The south felt the free States encroaching on them and kept demanding new states that join the union be slave States rather than free. They depended on slave labor to flourish and saw their economy being threatened.

So men who wanted greater wealth and power decided to start themselves a little war. Ultimately it was for their personal gain. Most soldiers who joined were fed propaganda such as their way of life being threatened and federal power over States. They lapped it up and joined the fight.

The south was doomed to lose for the same reason most lose a war. They did not have as many resources. Their treason helped solve the slave problem that could not have been saved many decades before.

Don't believe bullshit about States rights. Do you know what the state right they were fighting for was? States to have slaves. When someone says States rights, they mean to defy the Constitution and make a land in their own image.
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