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34 / M / Baltimore, MD
Posted 7/26/16
If the US Presidential election were held today and you were an American citizen, who would you vote for, for President?

Businessman/real estate developer Donald Trump (Republican, New York)?
Former Secretary of State/US Senator Hillary Clinton (Democrat, New York)?
Former Governor Gary Johnson (Libertarian, New Mexico)?
Dr. Jill Stein (Green, Massachusetts)?

Or someone else?
Examples of actual candidates include:
Former Tax Assessor for Thompson Township James Hedges (Prohibition Party, Pennsylvania)
Attorney Darrell Castle (Constitution, Tennessee)
Labor Activist Gloria LaRiva (Party for Socialist and Liberation, California)

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Posted 7/27/16 , edited 11/3/16
As a non-American I would much rather see Trump in the White House than Clinton. His foreign policy of non-interventionism (as well as his previous stances against the Iraq War and the intervention in Libya), is far better than what Clinton proposes, which is essentially a continuation of the Neo-Conservatism adopted by Bush and then Obama, which has made the world a much less stable place.
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Posted 7/30/16 , edited 11/9/16
I think a vote for Hillary Clinton would be best given Bernie Sanders feels that's the best way to perpetuate and advance his political revolution. I don't buy the argument that he's sold out one bit; he is transparently not "with her". She's clearly a means to an end in his mind, in this case preventing a Trump administration and preserving what inroads he has made on the Democratic platform.

And even if that weren't the case, even if Sanders had totally sold out, I'd still want to do everything I could to stop Trump from taking office. He would be an unmitigated disaster. Why do I think that? He's given me plenty of reasons.

1. Donald Trump wants to torture people as a form of punishment in the case that it's not effective for gathering information, though he also swears it is effective at gathering information in full contradiction of the evidence presented in the CIA torture report that it doesn't reliably produce actionable information and injures innocent people in the process:

This morning they asked me a question: 'Would you approve waterboarding?" Would I approve waterboarding? Would I approve waterboarding? And I said 'Well, let me ask you a question: on the other side they chop off our young peoples' heads and they put them on a stick. On the other side they build these iron cages that they'll put twenty people in them, and they drop them in the ocean for fifteen minutes and they pull them up fifteen minutes later. Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your arse I would. You bet your arse. In a heartbeat. In a heartbeat. And I would approve more than that. Don't kid yourself, folks: it works, okay? It works. Only a stupid person would say it doesn't work. It works. They're all saying 'Oh, it has no effect. It has no effect.' I know people, that are very, very important people, and they want to be politically correct. And I see some people talking on television about 'Well, I don't know if it worked', and they tell me later on 'It works.' It works. Believe me, it works. And you know what? If it doesn't work they deserve it anyway for what they're doing. They deserve it. It works.

Some people say it’s [waterboarding] not actually torture — let’s assume it is. But they asked me the question: ‘What are you going to do on waterboarding?’ Absolutely fine, but we should go much stronger than waterboarding. That’s the way I feel.

2. Donald Trump wants to kill civilians as an intimidation tactic:

I would do my best, absolute best, I mean one of the problems that we have and one of the reasons we're so ineffective is they're trying to, they're using them [civilians] as shields. It's a horrible thing. They're using them as shields. But we're fighting a very politically correct war. And the other thing is with the terrorists you have to take out their families. When you get these terrorists you have to take out their families. They, they care about their lives. Don't kid yourselves. They say they don't care about their lives. You have to take out their families.

3. Donald Trump considers beating someone half to death an appropriate way to deal with dissent:

The things that were said about me. I mean, should I go through some of the names? You know what, I wanted to. I wanted to hit a couple of those speakers so hard, I would've hit them--no, no--I was going to hit them so--I was all set. And then I got a call from a highly respected governor, 'How's it going, Donald?'. I said, 'Well, it's going good, but they're saying really bad things about me. I'm going to hit them so hard--I was going to hit one guy in particular, a very little guy, I was going to hit this guy so hard his head would spin, he wouldn't know what the hell happened.' And he came out of nowhere, he came out of nowhere, they make deals with me, 'Would you help me with this? Would you make this deal and solve the problem?' I solved the problem, I do a great job. I was going to hit a number of those speakers so hard their heads would spin, they'd never recover. And that's what I did with a lot of--that's why I still don't have certain people endorsing me, they still haven't recovered.

4. Donald Trump considers global climate change a hoax conjured by the Chinese government:

The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.

5. Donald Trump doesn't know how many articles the US federal constitution has (it's seven, Donald). In response to a question about how he'll protect the legislature's powers (Article I), Trump said:

I want to protect Article I, Article II, Article XII.

6. Donald Trump doesn't know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah:

It [the difference] will [matter to me] when it's appropriate. I will know more about it than you know, and believe me, it won't take me long. Right now, right now I think it's just something that--and you know what, if you ask these candidates, nobody's going to be able to give an answer. I mean, there may be one that's studied it because they're expecting a fresh question from you, but believe me, it won't matter. I will know far more than you do within 24 hours after I get the job [the Presidency].

Donald Trump doesn't know the difference between the Kurds and the Quds, either, and wrote off that lack of knowledge by saying:

Hugh was giving me name after name, Arab name, Arab name, and there are few people anywhere, anywhere, that would have known those names...I think he was reading them off a sheet, and frankly, I will have, and I told him, I will have the finest team that anybody's put together, and we will solve a lot of problems...Right now, they know a lot and look at what's happening, the world is blowing up around us...We will have great teams and great people.

He. Wants. To. Fight. al Qaeda. And. ISIL. Without. Knowing. Who. Zawahiri. And. al-Baghdadi. Are.

7. Donald Trump continues to low ball the cost of his proposed border wall, and plans to fund its construction by means that are simultaneously nonsensical and viciously inhumane:

On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.

On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.

In other words, this plan is basically supposed to function like an extortion racket where your stuff gets broken even if you pay out. Assuming the border wall manages to defy all reason and actually eliminates undocumented immigration from Mexico, that Trump is able to successfully keep his promise to deport any and all undocumented Mexicans, and that most of the money remitted into Mexico Trump is targeting comes from undocumented immigrants working in the United States, Mexico loses those remittances whether it funds the border wall or not. The Mexican government has no incentive to fund the wall under this plan.

8. Donald Trump simultaneously opposes and supports increasing minimum wages. Sure, Trump says supports the idea of a $10 federal minimum wage now, but look what he said about raising the minimum wage before:

I can’t be [sympathetic to protestors pushing for increasing the minimum wage]…and the reason I can’t be is because we are a country that is being beaten on every front. Taxes too high, wages too high, we’re not going to be able to compete against the world.

9. Donald Trump's behaviour toward veterans' charities is highly suspicious, with a good deal of his donations to charity groups (about 15 of the 30 groups AP contacted) coming out right before an interview on the subject was published. He has, predictably, castigated the press for even asking where the donations he's been publicly touting are going, calling them a "private matter".

10. Donald Trump expressed support for the British exit while demonstrating absolutely no understanding of what it meant, who supported it, or why.

Internal documents from Trump University indicating that the operation specifically targeted desperate poor people and used social engineering to guide them into paying for more expensive packages, flip flopping on whether he knows who David Duke is and whether he disavows Duke, retweeting white supremacists, declaring that he likes Mussolini quotes, the list goes on.

Like I said: Donald Trump would be an unmitigated disaster.
Posted 7/30/16
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Posted 7/31/16 , edited 10/31/16
Trump, the next best choice after Sanders for me, despite being a fucking idiot on how government works as well as a huge hypocrite.
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Posted 8/1/16
I'd vote for Sanders... he could probably become prime minister in any of the scandinavian countries if he wanted to...

Posted 8/1/16
Mickey Mouse.
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Posted 8/1/16
heh trump is gross af....despicable anti-american
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Posted 10/27/16 , edited 10/31/16
Nooooooo! I misclicked. I want Trump not Killary Killton.
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23 / M / US
Posted 10/27/16 , edited 11/3/16
I'm not voting for Hillary just for the simple fact that I don't wanna die

Sure Trump may be a turd too but at least he wants peace with Russia
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Posted 10/28/16 , edited 11/3/16

Dear_1nsanity wrote:

I'm not voting for Hillary just for the simple fact that I don't wanna die

Sure Trump may be a turd too but at least he wants peace with Russia

finally someone who realizes that lol
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69 / M / Columbia, MO
Posted 10/28/16 , edited 10/31/16

Who(m)ever it is it sure won't be this bitch.
Posted 10/28/16 , edited 10/31/16
Hillary helped run guns to ISIS, 'nuff said
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26 / F / Canada
Posted 10/28/16
Clinton, albeit begrudgingly.
Posted 10/28/16 , edited 11/1/16
kinda makes you an indirect ISIS supporter, lol
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