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Posted 12/4/16

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And Netflix definitely wasn't the first... man, I'd go for Amazon, but I'm not in the US. Don't even know if Prime is an option here, but it generally isn't worth...

You didn't mention which country you are in, but aside from the US, Amazon Video is available in Japan and the UK, and apparently also in Germany, Austria, and possibly India.

Their service in the UK is a better position for anime fans this season, as they are simulcasting 3 anime series that we in the US have only been told we'll eventually get (probably after the seasons are over).



They also added the previous Nanoha series (Nanoha, A's, StrikerS) recently, so I've heard.
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Posted 12/5/16 , edited 12/5/16

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They also added the previous Nanoha series (Nanoha, A's, StrikerS) recently, so I've heard.

I've confirmed they have. As this is off topic, I've created a new topic for it with the evidence:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-975447/1st-3-nanoha-series-available-on-amazon-prime-video-uk
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While most like HTML5 I'm against it. Flash has full audio codecs and HTML5 doesn't
HTML5 has yet to do anything better than stereo 2.0 sound on most content available.
I like to hear all my speakers play and get the full affect of surround sound. I hate having to change my surround sound system to multi channel stereo to get my back speakers to even pump out sound whereas with flash playback content I get all the speakers working without that cheesy 2.0 codec being shoved down my throat

If video can improve why hasn't sound been improved. I don't expect 7.1 surround on all my content but I do expect to leave the days of just 2 channel audio behind when I'm in the comfort of my home.

Hulu has switched to HTML5 and all the shows I used to watch are now in that 2 channel front speaker only audio instead of getting movie quality sound from the movies I get 2 channel audio. HTML5 may be a more viable option for those that don't care about sound but for me Flash is still the best player for sound and video out there in the streaming world.

I'm sure like everyone else they will eventually follow suit but until then I will enjoy what they do with their current flash play


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Posted 12/5/16 , edited 1/28/17

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While most like HTML5 I'm against it. Flash has full audio codecs and HTML5 doesn't
HTML5 has yet to do anything better than stereo 2.0 sound on most content available.

For subtitled anime, you won't be missing anything then. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but even on Blu-ray and DVD, Japanese audio for anime is normally stereo. Multi-channel tracks are normally reserved for movies, and the English dub may be multi-channel.

If you weren't aware of that, or simply don't believe me, take it from someone in the industry (see the last question and answer):
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2014-01-17

And more in a later column:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2014-08-15/.77634



Hulu has switched to HTML5 and all the shows I used to watch are now in that 2 channel front speaker only audio instead of getting movie quality sound from the movies I get 2 channel audio.

If Hulu uses HTML5, why do I get this message as soon as I try to play a video in Firefox (which doesn't have Flash installed on my machine)?:

Hulu requires Flash Player 11.0.1.152 or higher. Please download and install the latest version of Flash Player before continuing.

Looking at the page source also reveals this tag:

<meta name="video_type" content="application/x-shockwave-flash"/>


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I hope they utilize an html5 player on their vrv.co web player. I'll be dropping premium here, to subscribe monthly there, once it's available for web browsers.
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Posted 12/15/16 , edited 12/16/16

XSportSeeker wrote:

Update:

Guys, I might have found out why Crunchyroll still didn't go for HTML5:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2b26ou/im_kun_gao_the_cofounder_and_ceo_of_crunchyroll/
According to the co-founder, there's licensed content on Crunchyroll that doesn't work with HTML5.... which is to say, the reason is Flash based DRM.
It's a dumb excuse,all browsers comes to finishes the Flash Player support and CR still insists with it u.u
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I tried to watch a crunchyroll.com video on my android tablet and couldn'the because the flash player was missing. Then I couldn't find a plug-in that worked. I ended up installing the puffin browser from the app store. That works, but jeez, would it kill them to supply their videos in html5 in the first place?
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Posted 12/17/16 , edited 1/28/17

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I tried to watch a crunchyroll.com video on my android tablet and couldn'the because the flash player was missing. Then I couldn't find a plug-in that worked. I ended up installing the puffin browser from the app store. That works, but jeez, would it kill them to supply their videos in html5 in the first place?


If you are on an Android tablet, why not use the proper Crunchyroll app instead?
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Posted 12/17/16

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It's a dumb excuse,all browsers comes to finishes the Flash Player support and CR still insists with it u.u


DRM for HTML5 video is implemented differently across the 4 major browsers (Chrome, FireFox, Edge, and Safari). It becomes an even larger mess, if you take the mobile versions of the browsers into account.
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I didn't know it existed. I was surprised flash didn't work an d googled android an d flash. That's how I found out about the puffin browser. The app is much easier. Thanks for the info.
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Posted 12/18/16

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flashsmith wrote: I tried to watch a crunchyroll.com video on my android tablet and couldn'the because the flash player was missing. Then I couldn't find a plug-in that worked. I ended up installing the puffin browser from the app store. That works, but jeez, would it kill them to supply their videos in html5 in the first place?


If you are on an Android tablet, why not use the proper Crunchyroll app instead?


The Crunchyroll app no longer supports all Android tablets. Since people tend to turn over tablets less frequently than they turn over phones, when Crunchyroll abandoned older Android versions, it likely cut off a larger percentage of tablet users than smartphone users.
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Posted 12/18/16

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The Crunchyroll app no longer supports all Android tablets. Since people tend to turn over tablets less frequently than they turn over phones, when Crunchyroll abandoned older Android versions, it likely cut off a larger percentage of tablet users than smartphone users.


The number of people trying to play back video in the browser is greater than the number of people who still own a working Android device with a version lower than 4.1 though. 2.5% of all Android users are currently on a device that old, and the vast majority of those don't live where the usual Crunchyroll user lives.
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Posted 12/18/16

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agila61 wrote: The Crunchyroll app no longer supports all Android tablets. Since people tend to turn over tablets less frequently than they turn over phones, when Crunchyroll abandoned older Android versions, it likely cut off a larger percentage of tablet users than smartphone users.


The number of people trying to play back video in the browser is greater than the number of people who still own a working Android device with a version lower than 4.1 though.


Yes, it is true that adequate browser support would tend to serve to a diverse range of users, and the users that were tricked into "upgrading" to a version of a video streaming app that no longer streamed video for them would be only use case out of a wide number of use cases.

Is it really the case that the population of Crunchyroll users is so large that it outnumbers 2.5% of all Android devices? With over 2.6b smartphone users worldwide and Android on over 80% of them, that's a population in excess of 50m. 50m people trying to access Crunchyroll via web browser worldwide is a quite impressive number to be able to boast about.

I was actually not referring to that larger population, nor to the issue of whether discriminating against markets where Crunchyroll has low penetration is the best method of increasing Crunchyroll's market share in those areas ... I was referring to the much smaller population of tablet users, which at the time of the orphaning would have represented a higher share of pre Android 4.1 systems than for smartphones, given the longer lags in replacing tablets and longer lags in updating tablet operating systems.
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Posted 12/19/16 , edited 12/19/16

agila61 wrote:

Yes, it is true that adequate browser support would tend to serve to a diverse range of users, and the users that were tricked into "upgrading" to a version of a video streaming app that no longer streamed video for them would be only use case out of a wide number of use cases.

Is it really the case that the population of Crunchyroll users is so large that it outnumbers 2.5% of all Android devices? With over 2.6b smartphone users worldwide and Android on over 80% of them, that's a population in excess of 50m. 50m people trying to access Crunchyroll via web browser worldwide is a quite impressive number to be able to boast about.

I was actually not referring to that larger population, nor to the issue of whether discriminating against markets where Crunchyroll has low penetration is the best method of increasing Crunchyroll's market share in those areas ... I was referring to the much smaller population of tablet users, which at the time of the orphaning would have represented a higher share of pre Android 4.1 systems than for smartphones, given the longer lags in replacing tablets and longer lags in updating tablet operating systems.


We haven't had a ticket about an old Android device not supporting the app in weeks. I see tickets about trying to play Flash video on mobile browsers like once per week. I can tell by the frequency of inquiries which is the more prevalent issue.

Old Android devices are mostly found in South and Southeast Asia, in countries like India, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, ...
Those are often budget type phones usually not even available in the West.
In the US the 2 only devices we receive questions about are the Nook and an old Samsung Galaxy Tab.
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Posted 12/19/16

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In the US the 2 only devices we receive questions about are the Nook and an old Samsung Galaxy Tab.


That's because people have pretty much given up on older Amazon hardware, after trying many times to get the 1st and second generation Kindle Fires to work... And earlier Nooks have the same issue, I believe.

I finally had to do the cyanogenmod thing to mine (Ver 5.1 Lolipop) to get it sort of working again, but that's was also true for the Funimation app as well. It's not something the average user is going to, or even should, attempt to do though. If you mess that up, you brick it.

Plus, doing that broke my banking app, which now won't let me add it back in, and my Honeywell thermostat app displays upside-down, but at least it functions...

Phones are one thing, you get upgrades all the time from the cell carriers to keep you in their plans. But tablets have a different cycle of replacement, since you're just buying one of those outright.

But after venting and feeling a bit bitter about sunken costs, if I had to do it over again, these days I would never buy a tablet of any kind again. I'd get a chromebook now that they will be adding the Google Play store to a great number of those sometime this year. It will be interesting to see whether the CR android app will work on them or not...
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