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I blame the Spanish for this. Every one of their former colonies is shit.
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And people wonder why I say that having guns is a Right not a privlidge. If you have a bunch of enemies and they try to kill you then you can pull out your gun and take them out with you. If they know you have a gun they won't risk their lives. Instead they will try to defeat you legally or through some more difficult method.



Please without a ounce of combat training your average citizen is no more protected by his or her firearm then a medieval peasant was by his baslard when facing a fully armoured knight. If you want a populace armed to the teeth at least do what Sweden and Russia do and make military service compulsory. That way not only do you have armed populace but also a competently trained one less likely to get killed off by their own stupidity or incompetence.
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You sound like you're from the Phils. If you are, I'm glad to hear that there are other people out here who think the same way I do - and express it really well too. My family (with the exception of my brother), many of our family friends, and many of my father's employees are Duterte fans, and it irritates the hell out of me that they can't see the can of worms that's been opened up.

You're right that there are some good things about Duterte (he's made good on the FOI), but as a whole, societally, everything seems to be going backwards.
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He is killing off drug lords? Good on him we don't need drug lord anyways because this world is not nice so don't play nice. A hard choice was made and it works. There is a reason there is no terrorism in Russia because they get things done the hard way and right way.
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Rujikin wrote:

And people wonder why I say that having guns is a Right not a privlidge. If you have a bunch of enemies and they try to kill you then you can pull out your gun and take them out with you. If they know you have a gun they won't risk their lives. Instead they will try to defeat you legally or through some more difficult method.



Please without a ounce of combat training your average citizen is no more protected by his or her firearm then a medieval peasant was by his baslard when facing a fully armoured knight. If you want a populace armed to the teeth at least do what Sweden and Russia do and make military service compulsory. That way not only do you have armed populace but also a competently trained one less likely to get killed off by their own stupidity or incompetence.


>no one can use guns but my kool kids klub
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nekobi wrote:

He is killing off drug lords? Good on him we don't need drug lord anyways because this world is not nice so don't play nice. A hard choice was made and it works. There is a reason there is no terrorism in Russia because they get things done the hard way and right way.


From RT (a Russian government-funded network), an article on 2013 data on terrorism within Russia: https://www.rt.com/politics/russian-terrorism-investigator-committee-993/
Global Terrorism Index 2015, Russia ranks 23rd in the list of countries most affected by terrorism: http://economicsandpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Global-Terrorism-Index-2015.pdf
Foiled 2015 terror plot - doing things the hard, right way doesn't seem to have dissuaded them from trying: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/12/russia-police-foil-terror-attack-on-moscow-after-making-arrests-in-city

You probably won't get much reliable data after the 2013 and 2015 reports, since there are strict state controls on the media.
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Rujikin wrote:

And people wonder why I say that having guns is a Right not a privlidge. If you have a bunch of enemies and they try to kill you then you can pull out your gun and take them out with you. If they know you have a gun they won't risk their lives. Instead they will try to defeat you legally or through some more difficult method.



Please without a ounce of combat training your average citizen is no more protected by his or her firearm then a medieval peasant was by his baslard when facing a fully armoured knight. If you want a populace armed to the teeth at least do what Sweden and Russia do and make military service compulsory. That way not only do you have armed populace but also a competently trained one less likely to get killed off by their own stupidity or incompetence.


A peasants weapon couldn't penetrate a knights armor easily, give that same peasant a gun and show him how to use it and you would have a dead knight. Why do you think we switched to guns? They took so much less training to be ready for warfare. Today's guns require basic knowledge that can be taught in not even 30 minutes, if your just focusing on self protection.

You don't need to be good enough for headshots a few body shots are all you really need, or merely pull out your gun and they run off.
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Rujikin wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

And people wonder why I say that having guns is a Right not a privlidge. If you have a bunch of enemies and they try to kill you then you can pull out your gun and take them out with you. If they know you have a gun they won't risk their lives. Instead they will try to defeat you legally or through some more difficult method.



Please without a ounce of combat training your average citizen is no more protected by his or her firearm then a medieval peasant was by his baslard when facing a fully armoured knight. If you want a populace armed to the teeth at least do what Sweden and Russia do and make military service compulsory. That way not only do you have armed populace but also a competently trained one less likely to get killed off by their own stupidity or incompetence.


A peasants weapon couldn't penetrate a knights armor easily, give that same peasant a gun and show him how to use it and you would have a dead knight. Why do you think we switched to guns? They took so much less training to be ready for warfare. Today's guns require basic knowledge that can be taught in not even 30 minutes, if your just focusing on self protection.

You don't need to be good enough for headshots a few body shots are all you really need, or merely pull out your gun and they run off.


To bring up another point, while it is possible to train someone in the basics of firearms it may take a short people of time, giving one the mental fortitude to use a gun in the right manner isn't something that can be done overnight. Think of the level of suicides that occur in the United States? These people are not mentally fit to use a gun.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-features/guns-and-suicide-the-hidden-toll/

Guns a right? Sure, if you want people killing themselves.
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KnightOfZero1991 wrote:

To bring up another point, while it is possible to train someone in the basics of firearms it may take a short people of time, giving one the mental fortitude to use a gun in the right manner isn't something that can be done overnight. Think of the level of suicides that occur in the United States? These people are not mentally fit to use a gun.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-features/guns-and-suicide-the-hidden-toll/

Guns a right? Sure, if you want people killing themselves.


If people want to kill themselves they will kill themselves. If they weren't using a gun they would be jumping off of large buildings head first or mixing bleach + ammonia in their house.

People just have a hollywood picture of suicide using a gun so they go with that first when there are far better methods, ban suicide in hollywood.
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Rujikin wrote:

If people want to kill themselves they will kill themselves. If they weren't using a gun they would be jumping off of large buildings head first or mixing bleach + ammonia in their house.

People just have a hollywood picture of suicide using a gun so they go with that first when there are far better methods, ban suicide in hollywood.


I think they use guns because they are easily. Jumping off a building takes much more, and poison can be thought of as a very painful way to go. I do believe that if given the time, they will opt for the more difficult way, but the latter ways may give someone a chance to intervene in the situation. I agree though that media depiction of suicide is very damaging to society.

I think we're a bit off-topic, but I'm holding to the point that the US has insufficient mental health services, which causes the high level of gun related suicides.
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ahem.......

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KnightOfZero1991 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

If people want to kill themselves they will kill themselves. If they weren't using a gun they would be jumping off of large buildings head first or mixing bleach + ammonia in their house.

People just have a hollywood picture of suicide using a gun so they go with that first when there are far better methods, ban suicide in hollywood.


I think they use guns because they are easily. Jumping off a building takes much more, and poison can be thought of as a very painful way to go. I do believe that if given the time, they will opt for the more difficult way, but the latter ways may give someone a chance to intervene in the situation. I agree though that media depiction of suicide is very damaging to society.

I think we're a bit off-topic, but I'm holding to the point that the US has no mental health services.


Fixed that for you. We are pretty good at locking them up and delaying the problem indefinitely.... god our prison system needs fixed.

Though ironically the people that sign up to be psychologists seem to be people with the most mental problems and are trying to understand their own brain.
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Rujikin wrote:


Ranwolf wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

And people wonder why I say that having guns is a Right not a privlidge. If you have a bunch of enemies and they try to kill you then you can pull out your gun and take them out with you. If they know you have a gun they won't risk their lives. Instead they will try to defeat you legally or through some more difficult method.



Please without a ounce of combat training your average citizen is no more protected by his or her firearm then a medieval peasant was by his baslard when facing a fully armoured knight. If you want a populace armed to the teeth at least do what Sweden and Russia do and make military service compulsory. That way not only do you have armed populace but also a competently trained one less likely to get killed off by their own stupidity or incompetence.


A peasants weapon couldn't penetrate a knights armor easily, give that same peasant a gun and show him how to use it and you would have a dead knight. Why do you think we switched to guns? They took so much less training to be ready for warfare. Today's guns require basic knowledge that can be taught in not even 30 minutes, if your just focusing on self protection.

You don't need to be good enough for headshots a few body shots are all you really need, or merely pull out your gun and they run off.


Your absolutely correct mate the basics of marksmanship and firearm safety can be taught rather quickly..the fortitude actually necessary to handle a life or death situation not so much. That is something that even a average army private after a year and half of training by combat veterans struggles with.

Under trained people do stupid things...just look at this whole Philippine debacle. We have citizens and police go off half cocked.
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Ranwolf wrote:

Your absolutely correct mate the basics of marksmanship and firearm safety can be taught rather quickly..the fortitude actually necessary to handle a life or death situation not so much. That is something that even a average army private after a year and half of training by combat veterans struggles with.

Under trained people do stupid things...just look at this whole Philippine debacle. We have citizens and police go off half cocked.


Shooting someone else offensively is a lot different that protecting yourself or your home. Even anti-violence hippies will pick up a weapon and defend their family if they are in danger. Hoomans have pretty strong survival instincts.

That is exactly why you need firearms. To protect yourself against all threats INCLUDING your own government and especially your own government. This whole situation is caused by the government and promoted by the government. You see what kind of power they wield.
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While I see absolutely nothing wrong with punishing human trash like junkies and dealers with the death sentence perhaps that sort of thing is best left to police and the court system and not random citizens.


You see nothing wrong with killing someone with a drug addiction? That's sad. Keep in mind a lot of people who deal are not doing that cause they turned down a job offer to head a major corporation. These guys are born in poverty with nothing to get them out. It's a crap situation and waging war in this manner is class killing. It's rarely the affluent that are going to be affected by this, calling on the public to kill people is as obscene as a genocidal war. If someone is a leader of a major country and calls on its citizens to kill, they are 100% responsible for the killing, regardless if they were not at the crime scene.
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