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So you got a brain constructed inside a computer. Your eyes can be designed to look inside the computer or outside at the real world possibly by hooking up to a camera. You never get hungry because you control your senses. You can program your food by programming your palette. You can change your shape and form by transferring your consciousness to different brains in the virtual world. You construct your own memory. You model your own house. You design your own Physics. You might have old neighbors. Everything works like an MMORPG but it's free because energy would be free, the hardware might break but can be replaced, and there only requires maintenance from the outside. What you need to pay for in an MMORPG is fashion, and you work by coding, drawing, or generating ideas. You choose when you wish to be terminated. You are immortal.

Now there is this one thing that's been worrying me is that you might be able to speed up time in a digital world. Technically your consciousness runs at 150M/S so you really can't think faster in a digital world. But if there is a way to speed up time this whole idea might takes some more planning.

Then you live until one day the technology advanced so you can build your own flesh and blood in the real world again. What do you guys think?

P.S. Feel free to support your ideas with shows, animations, and movies. I prefer the anime Expelled From Paradise about the views on digital immortality world, other than the AI, I could be wrong.
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I'd like to think that consciousness is an exclusive thing and something that cannot be copied or transferred. Of course, I believe you can transfer memories, but even if you upload an exact replica of your brain on a digital network, you wouldn't be able to have the same consciousness.

This sci-fi film sort of addresses that issue, it's called Advantageous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnBT0izYi7A

It's sci-fi, but it doesn't have much futuristic feel to it, it's more like a drama film, just with science fiction motifs.
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I'd like to think that consciousness is an exclusive thing and something that cannot be copied or transferred. Of course, I believe you can transfer memories, but even if you upload an exact replica of your brain on a digital network, you wouldn't be able to have the same consciousness.

This sci-fi film sort of addresses that issue, it's called Advantageous:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnBT0izYi7A

It's sci-fi, but it doesn't have much futuristic feel to it, it's more like a drama film, just with science fiction motifs.


Hmm, to address your idea about consciousness. One thing I know is that everyone has different consciousness. We don't know what others are thinking. If we imagine the brain has a continuous current, which it doesn't because it's electrochemical, we'd think that our brain another other people's brains are linked, why, because the current is continuous. Where it's left off is picked up on the other end by another continuous stream. Now you would argue, hey the electronic circuit has current running at the speed of light, but how come not two hardware shares the same circuit by my theory. Well I can't really explain this one. I would say the difference is in speed, one goes at the speed of light, the other, our brain, goes at the speed of 150M/S. So if our brain is not a continuous stream of current, what distinguish one consciousness from the other. My guess would be timing and how electrical signals are fired in the brain. Not two people have identical electrical signals firing at the same spot at the same time so it's all about synchronizing this signal. Imagine a signal traveling down the neuron with plus being the electrical signal reaches the end of the neuron --------+ +--------- jump to the other neuron of a brain somewhere distant, but well within 150m/s, then it circles back into the original brain's neuron, sort of like taking a walk, run, walk to the other side and back, would you gain the memory and consciousness of the other brain. I would say it is very likely, and this is the idea I've been thinking that is possible to transfer consciousness.
But then the other day I found out that consciousness could be generated from voltage. Sort of like blowing air into a conch shell creating a resonance effect. You know how every brain's structure looks similar, they all got this circular loop somewhere. Transferring voltage would be a lot harder than simply synchronizing the signal because you need to retain the voltage's signal shape. Then there is also the electromagnetic field theory where consciousness is actually caused by electromagnetic field. But the good thing is there isn't anything that the computer cannot simulate. All the way from ions to electromagnetic field to possibly voltage even though it's not defined still.
So I am in the process of figuring out the origin of consciousness. It could be voltage, or electromagnetic field, and attempt to simulate that inside a computer.
And assuming some scientists figure all these out, god bless us, we'll be well on our way to digital immortality.

The other problem I found is that if someone speeds up the digital world, meaning the time goes faster and you think faster inside the digital world, it could be a problem. But assuming this isn't the case and our technology is still not capable of speeding up the digital world then we should be alright. I would think that if such a technology exist it would sped up the whole evolutionary process, has everything figured out, we are left alone on a stand still, and the guy up there wouldn't bother with digital immortality.

But anyway, this is just a discussion about life with digital immortality. I personally like the anime Expelled From Paradise in how they show the idea of digital immortality and space exploration. If there's other anime like this I'd gladly check it out
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Nvm, I am trying to rush this thing. I think immortality would still be created at a normal pace, just takes longer, forget my comment on that, sor
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What would the technological selves be running on?
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What would the technological selves be running on?


You'll need some type of supercomputer, the K computer is capable of computing 10% of the human brain in 40 minutes using the NEST software. I believe that you can use supercomputer that builds on graphics card for faster simulation and parallel computing. They could be building software for better simulation. But well we need a brain scanner capable of scanning the brain at a molecular scale. Then we simulate this brain using a supercomputer. As computer gets faster and better, we can have memory that is non degradable, maybe a home computer can run it in the future
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dreamy- wrote:

What would the technological selves be running on?


You'll need some type of supercomputer, the K computer is capable of computing 10% of the human brain in 40 minutes using the NEST software. I believe that you can use supercomputer that builds on graphics card for faster simulation and parallel computing. They could be building software for better simulation. But well we need a brain scanner capable of scanning the brain at a molecular scale. Then we simulate this brain using a supercomputer. As computer gets faster and better, we can have memory that is non degradable, maybe a home computer can run it in the future


The problem is that our natural gas and stuff wouldn't really allow for that much of technology to keep running though... I'm probably just rambling on the wrong side of the cliff but..

And that's a really cool idea! Haven't heard of the K computer. I'm behind the times.. Thanks for peaking my interest.
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fredreload wrote:


dreamy- wrote:

What would the technological selves be running on?


You'll need some type of supercomputer, the K computer is capable of computing 10% of the human brain in 40 minutes using the NEST software. I believe that you can use supercomputer that builds on graphics card for faster simulation and parallel computing. They could be building software for better simulation. But well we need a brain scanner capable of scanning the brain at a molecular scale. Then we simulate this brain using a supercomputer. As computer gets faster and better, we can have memory that is non degradable, maybe a home computer can run it in the future


The problem is that our natural gas and stuff wouldn't really allow for that much of technology to keep running though... I'm probably just rambling on the wrong side of the cliff but..

And that's a really cool idea! Haven't heard of the K computer. I'm behind the times.. Thanks for peaking my interest.


No problem, glad there's someone interested in this. Well, there is this idea about free energy on Crunchyroll a while ago. Something about generating an artificial sun. They could get the process going for like 100 seconds. Well assuming cost is a problem we would be writing codes and drawing arts in our immortal life. No free MMORPG has ever complained about the server running cost though =/. The running cost of K computer is a bit high as you've mentioned. I'm looking for more of a graphics based super computer like Titan
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You state "Energy would be free". How?
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You state "Energy would be free". How?


Again you can search for the artificial sun post on Crunchyroll. But I really don't think energy is that big of an issue
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So you got a brain constructed inside a computer. Your eyes can be designed to look inside the computer or outside at the real world possibly by hooking up to a camera. You never get hungry because you control your senses. You can program your food by programming your palette. You can change your shape and form by transferring your consciousness to different brains in the virtual world. You construct your own memory. You model your own house. You design your own Physics. You might have old neighbors. Everything works like an MMORPG but it's free because energy would be free, the hardware might break but can be replaced, and there only requires maintenance from the outside. What you need to pay for in an MMORPG is fashion, and you work by coding, drawing, or generating ideas. You choose when you wish to be terminated. You are immortal.

Now there is this one thing that's been worrying me is that you might be able to speed up time in a digital world. Technically your consciousness runs at 150M/S so you really can't think faster in a digital world. But if there is a way to speed up time this whole idea might takes some more planning.

Then you live until one day the technology advanced so you can build your own flesh and blood in the real world again. What do you guys think?

P.S. Feel free to support your ideas with shows, animations, and movies. I prefer the anime Expelled From Paradise about the views on digital immortality world, other than the AI, I could be wrong.
And the most important of all, don't end up in bunny hell


You sir have really peaked my interest as well, and maybe that scientist that finds that breakthrough could be you because you seem very intelligent and knowledgeable on this matter and funny how I'm listening to a song called Computer Love right now!
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Thanks man !
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I'm counting on you guys dude, I'm just presenting ideas here lol
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