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How about we wait some hundreds of years before we debate this?

And how can we be sure its the same person inside the computer?
If you had super powers, and made an exact copy of a person standing next to you, would they share the consciousness? I dont think so.

It would be the same person but also kind of not the same.


1. I'll know it when I'm in the digital world

2. Well not every two people share the same consciousness at least from what we know so far. Well but how do you know your arm is your arm. it's all connected by nerves fired with electrical impulses
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Jophar_Vorin wrote:

How about we wait some hundreds of years before we debate this?

And how can we be sure its the same person inside the computer?
If you had super powers, and made an exact copy of a person standing next to you, would they share the consciousness? I dont think so.

It would be the same person but also kind of not the same.


1. I'll know it when I'm in the digital world

2. Well not every two people share the same consciousness at least from what we know so far. Well but how do you know your arm is your arm. it's all connected by nerves fired with electrical impulses


Yeah they would not share the same consciousness which makes them two different people. If we upload our mind to a computer, it would just be a clone of ourselves.
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fredreload wrote:


Jophar_Vorin wrote:

How about we wait some hundreds of years before we debate this?

And how can we be sure its the same person inside the computer?
If you had super powers, and made an exact copy of a person standing next to you, would they share the consciousness? I dont think so.

It would be the same person but also kind of not the same.


1. I'll know it when I'm in the digital world

2. Well not every two people share the same consciousness at least from what we know so far. Well but how do you know your arm is your arm. it's all connected by nerves fired with electrical impulses


Yeah they would not share the same consciousness which makes them two different people. If we upload our mind to a computer, it would just be a clone of ourselves.


Well you can't share consciousness doesn't mean you can't transfer consciousness. Imagine half of your brain inside the computer built with 3D artificial synapses and half of the brain outside. My guess is if electrical synapses is running smoothly across both sides of the brain, consciousness exists. The rest is how to stuff the entire brain into the digital world. Sort of like how you reconnect a limb (as bad as it sounds) to the body, you run electrical synapses through it.
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Well you can't share consciousness doesn't mean you can't transfer consciousness. Imagine half of your brain inside the computer built with 3D artificial synapses and half of the brain outside. My guess is if electrical synapses is running smoothly across both sides of the brain, consciousness exists. The rest is how to stuff the entire brain into the digital world. Sort of like how you reconnect a limb (as bad as it sounds) to the body, you run electrical synapses through it.


Yeah a "transition" i think would work perfectly!
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fredreload wrote:

Well you can't share consciousness doesn't mean you can't transfer consciousness. Imagine half of your brain inside the computer built with 3D artificial synapses and half of the brain outside. My guess is if electrical synapses is running smoothly across both sides of the brain, consciousness exists. The rest is how to stuff the entire brain into the digital world. Sort of like how you reconnect a limb (as bad as it sounds) to the body, you run electrical synapses through it.


Yeah a "transition" i think would work perfectly!


Awesome, then we are agreed on the same thing :D, digital immortality!
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fredreload wrote:

Well you can't share consciousness doesn't mean you can't transfer consciousness. Imagine half of your brain inside the computer built with 3D artificial synapses and half of the brain outside. My guess is if electrical synapses is running smoothly across both sides of the brain, consciousness exists. The rest is how to stuff the entire brain into the digital world. Sort of like how you reconnect a limb (as bad as it sounds) to the body, you run electrical synapses through it.


Yeah a "transition" i think would work perfectly!


Awesome, then we are agreed on the same thing :D, digital immortality!


Yeah, but then there is the technical difficulties :c We dont have the tech yet to do it.

nanikore's location is "inside your computer" would be perfect for a computer mind.
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fredreload wrote:


Jophar_Vorin wrote:


fredreload wrote:

Well you can't share consciousness doesn't mean you can't transfer consciousness. Imagine half of your brain inside the computer built with 3D artificial synapses and half of the brain outside. My guess is if electrical synapses is running smoothly across both sides of the brain, consciousness exists. The rest is how to stuff the entire brain into the digital world. Sort of like how you reconnect a limb (as bad as it sounds) to the body, you run electrical synapses through it.


Yeah a "transition" i think would work perfectly!


Awesome, then we are agreed on the same thing :D, digital immortality!


Yeah, but then there is the technical difficulties :c We dont have the tech yet to do it.

nanikore's location is "inside your computer" would be perfect for a computer mind.


Right well, we need a real time molecular scanner. The K supercomputer can simulate 10% of the brain with NEST software in 40 minutes without parallel computing I think. I'll try to convince Nanikore on this one
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Right well, we need a real time molecular scanner. The K supercomputer can simulate 10% of the brain with NEST software in 40 minutes without parallel computing I think. I'll try to convince Nanikore on this one :D


Interesting. 10% of the brain is quite alot.
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fredreload wrote:


Jophar_Vorin wrote:


fredreload wrote:


Jophar_Vorin wrote:


fredreload wrote:

Well you can't share consciousness doesn't mean you can't transfer consciousness. Imagine half of your brain inside the computer built with 3D artificial synapses and half of the brain outside. My guess is if electrical synapses is running smoothly across both sides of the brain, consciousness exists. The rest is how to stuff the entire brain into the digital world. Sort of like how you reconnect a limb (as bad as it sounds) to the body, you run electrical synapses through it.


Yeah a "transition" i think would work perfectly!


Awesome, then we are agreed on the same thing :D, digital immortality!


Yeah, but then there is the technical difficulties :c We dont have the tech yet to do it.

nanikore's location is "inside your computer" would be perfect for a computer mind.


Right well, we need a real time molecular scanner. The K supercomputer can simulate 10% of the brain with NEST software in 40 minutes without parallel computing I think. I'll try to convince Nanikore on this one :D

i personally wouldn't bother people have put evidence and rebuted his theories before and he just rejected them.
Nanikore is a nice person but is very stubborn and can only believe his own opinion//theories most of the time :P
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i personally wouldn't bother people have put evidence and rebuted his theories before and he just rejected them.
Nanikore is a nice person but is very stubborn and can only believe his own opinion//theories most of the time :P


Is he?
I have not seen that, but i guess i cant say anything. I am very biased myself.
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Jophar_Vorin wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

i personally wouldn't bother people have put evidence and rebuted his theories before and he just rejected them.
Nanikore is a nice person but is very stubborn and can only believe his own opinion//theories most of the time :P


Is he?
I have not seen that, but i guess i cant say anything. I am very biased myself.


Yeah been in to many arguments and seem people give him evidence against his claims etc so much that I don't want to get in another comversation as it leads to nothing.

He is a good guy just very close minded from my perspective.

I tend to think being open minded and open to any theory is the best way to approach science or programming etc

Not to mention my golden rule doubt everything even if it seems correct there may be more to it.
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Jophar_Vorin wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

i personally wouldn't bother people have put evidence and rebuted his theories before and he just rejected them.
Nanikore is a nice person but is very stubborn and can only believe his own opinion//theories most of the time :P


Is he?
I have not seen that, but i guess i cant say anything. I am very biased myself.


Yeah been in to many arguments and seem people give him evidence against his claims etc so much that I don't want to get in another comversation as it leads to nothing.

He is a good guy just very close minded from my perspective.

I tend to think being open minded and open to any theory is the best way to approach science or programming etc

Not to mention my golden rule doubt everything even if it seems correct there may be more to it.


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Well you see, life arise out of nothing. And if you do simulate an environment in the computer, everything at its exact scale, let that program runs for a hundred years, life could still happen


You will need to put that argument in proper form. Right now it's only in a series of assertions.

See the argument thread I linked to. I don't just do something like:

"A is true, therefore A is true".

You must back up your argumentation.

You repeated make the jump from simulation to the actual without explanation. Simulation is never the actual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation

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Ryulightorb wrote:


Jophar_Vorin wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

i personally wouldn't bother people have put evidence and rebuted his theories before and he just rejected them.
Nanikore is a nice person but is very stubborn and can only believe his own opinion//theories most of the time :P


Is he?
I have not seen that, but i guess i cant say anything. I am very biased myself.


Yeah been in to many arguments and seem people give him evidence against his claims etc so much that I don't want to get in another comversation as it leads to nothing.

He is a good guy just very close minded from my perspective.

I tend to think being open minded and open to any theory is the best way to approach science or programming etc

Not to mention my golden rule doubt everything even if it seems correct there may be more to it.


What evidence? Over and over there has been nothing but argument via assertions. When I show people how they can't just do that, I get called various things. That's another logical fallacy- People resort to attacking me instead of my points.
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