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Posted 1/11/17 , edited 1/11/17

ninjitsuko wrote:

It's going to be a long while until anime jumps up to 4K resolution. Most anime producers are still at the 720p state of technology when it comes to producing it. 1080 is still kind of a "thing" that comes and goes depending on how well the anime is doing. 4K will probably take another 5-8 years to really catch on in the anime realm.

But yes, 8K is "here" but just like 4K - there isn't enough content in this medium to make it worth it just yet.


I don't think this is true. Some stores don't even sell 1080p TVs anymore. And people are going to flow towards providers who offer 4K content. There is a reason Netflix is capitalizing on this. We could be seeing 4K content before the end of the year. And I'm sure there are some shows that would love to take advantage of the higher resolution. JoJo comes to mind. Attack on Titan, too.
Posted 1/11/17 , edited 1/11/17

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I don't think this is true. Some stores don't even sell 1080p TVs anymore. And people are going to flow towards providers who offer 4K content. There is a reason Netflix is capitalizing on this. We could be seeing 4K content before the end of the year. And I'm sure there are some shows that would love to take advantage of the higher resolution. JoJo comes to mind. Attack on Titan, too.


Yeah, but the issue isn't what's happening in America - but what's happening in Japan. While sports and films are being shot in 4/8K in Japan, anime is still stuttering behind at 720/1080. There is some decent 2K anime out there in the world right now, but it's few and far between. I'm sure we'll have a better chance of seeing 4/8K anime after the Olympics in 2020. Japan has already committed to shooting (and broadcasting) the entire Olympics in 8K resolution. So we'll see how things progress between then and now.

Though I may be wrong in saying this but I significantly doubt we'll see any streaming services offering 4K content for anime by the end of 2017. Even Netflix's anime series have only been in 1080 since they can't get content producers to jump over to 4K for anime.
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Honestly people need to calm the hell down.

Unless you have a stupidly big screen 4K isn't even really that much better than 1080 and this 8K people talk about? yeah sorry the eye just won't notice that extra level of detail.


The other thing spoiled idiots don't get is as graphics quality goes up the cost to make things goes up. It's more expensive to make a game or anime in 4K than 1080. But you'll have people acting like games MUST exist as the highest resolution possible and be the same price they've always been at.
Posted 1/11/17

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Honestly people need to calm the hell down.

Unless you have a stupidly big screen 4K isn't even really that much better than 1080 and this 8K people talk about? yeah sorry the eye just won't notice that extra level of detail.


The other thing spoiled idiots don't get is as graphics quality goes up the cost to make things goes up. It's more expensive to make a game or anime in 4K than 1080. But you'll have people acting like games MUST exist as the highest resolution possible and be the same price they've always been at.


Eh, there is a big difference between 1080p and 4K.




You can absolutely tell the difference. 1080p looks fuzzy compared to 4K.
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Posted 1/11/17
Do they even HAVE 4K in Japan? They had HDTV before us, but seems like Samsung could never get 3D to take off over there.
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Posted 1/11/17
I do see the difference in 1080p and 4k on upscale anime by my LG Blu ray Player, since it is ON anime that you would see the big difference on it. because the image tend to be more simple than real life videos. In several I use Media Converter x64 to upscale it by myself.

Knight of Sidonia is available on 4K with HDR by the way.
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Posted 1/11/17 , edited 1/11/17

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you do realize 4k will be a thing over time right? We didn't have 1080p back in the day. Technology goes up n up lol


Thing is, the industry literally doesn't know WHY technology goes "up n up lol"--
They don't know why MP3 replaced CD's, they don't know why reading an e-book or magazine on your tablet replaced newspapers and magazines, they don't know why DVD crushed VHS off the face of the earth, and they don't know why Blu-ray caught on as surprisingly as it did when no one thought it would.
Since business lives in a constant state of Darwinist fear that some competitor will eat them, they stroke that fear by reading the latest news of "Curved screens!" or "4K streaming!" at the CES, and say "Well, here comes the New Thing, so the Old Thing must be doomed already! They're not going to catch ME out this time!"

When actually--it's a theory I've blogged about: http://movieactivist.blogspot.com/2016/08/august-29-2016-what-if-they-gave.html --a technology has to pass three tests in order to be the Next Thing:
1) It has to solve an actual problem (like, people who finally gave up their landline phones for cellphones),
2) We're stingy bastards, and we want to get a "First one's free!" taste of it early on our own technology, like playing DVD on our old PS2's, rather than be asked to rush out to Best Buy and buy everything in one package, and
3) It has to have a Killer App that, well, c'mon, you have to watch in the new format.

4K seems to be waiving those rules. When 4K was first seriously announced back in '13, we were in the middle of our big Mister Pissypants tantrums against Blu3D and 3DTV, and not only expected something to come along and replace the "studio conspiracy", unquote, of 3D, they literally wanted to see the new format PUNISH it. And the studios, and its users.
Know how the Trumpsters talked about Hillary Clinton?--That's how most of the more ardent 4K supporters talked about 3D, whether they'd ever even seen 4K in their lives or not. They didn't want higher resolution, they wanted to see 3DTV supporters CRY.

As a result, the industry was already considering 4K a "thing", before it was even a Thing. It's still seen as The Artificial Craze, that was somehow genetically engineered by the studios and hardware companies (who lose their shirts when they think we'll rush out and buy the standalone players on Day One, usually the last things we buy in the real world)...
And even they can't currently get their act together between the studios hoping for "4K streaming!" and the hardware companies hoping for "4K disks!"
Sony was the one who solidified DVD and Blu acceptance in the US by giving it to us for "free" on the Playstation 2 and 3, but now that Sony's home theater and game divisions are at odds with each other, they don't WANT the Playstation 4 to be a "free" 4K player and compete with its hardware sales, so now we're all looking starry-eyed at the X-Box One S, which does include free 4K, as our new all-in-one player. But Microsoft isn't the company that decides whether 4K lives or dies, now, is it?

All we've got right now are people saying "It looks better! Kewwwwwlllll! ", which is okay, I guess, but without solving any actual viewer problem to free us from our bondage (have we actually complained that things weren't clear enough?), that's still in the "High-priced toy" image that Laserdisc and DVD were in 1996.
Posted 1/11/17

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Brad102102 wrote:

you do realize 4k will be a thing over time right? We didn't have 1080p back in the day. Technology goes up n up lol


When actually--it's a theory I've blogged about: http://movieactivist.blogspot.com/2016/08/august-29-2016-what-if-they-gave.html --a technology has to pass three tests in order to be the Next Thing:
1) It has to solve an actual problem (like, people who finally gave up their landline phones for cellphones),
2) We're stingy bastards, and we want to get a "First one's free!" taste of it early on our own technology, like playing DVD on our old PS2's, rather than be asked to rush out to Best Buy and buy everything in one package, and
3) It has to have a Killer App that, well, c'mon, you have to watch in the new format.

4K seems to be waiving those rules. When 4K was first seriously announced back in '13, we were in the middle of our big Mister Pissypants tantrums against Blu3D and 3DTV, and not only expected something to come along and replace the "studio conspiracy", unquote, of 3D, they literally wanted to see the new format PUNISH it. And the studios, and its users.
Know how the Trumpsters talked about Hillary Clinton?--That's how most of the more ardent 4K supporters talked about 3D, whether they'd ever even seen 4K in their lives or not. They didn't want higher resolution, they wanted to see 3DTV supporters CRY.

As a result, the industry was already considering 4K a "thing", before it was even a Thing. It's still seen as The Artificial Craze, that was somehow genetically engineered by the studios and hardware companies (who lose their shirts when they think we'll rush out and buy the standalone players on Day One, usually the last things we buy in the real world)...
And even they can't currently get their act together between the studios hoping for "4K streaming!" and the hardware companies hoping for "4K disks!"

All we've got right now are people saying "It looks better! Kewwwwwlllll! ", which is okay, I guess, but without solving any actual viewer problem to free us from our bondage (have we actually complained that things weren't clear enough?), that's still in the "High-priced toy" image that Laserdisc and DVD were in 1996.


We aren't talking about a new technology though. We are talking about higher resolution. Something that clearly sells with cameras, smartphones, and hell, now game consoles.
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Posted 1/11/17 , edited 1/11/17

KennethKenstar wrote:


Ejanss wrote:


Brad102102 wrote:

you do realize 4k will be a thing over time right? We didn't have 1080p back in the day. Technology goes up n up lol


When actually--it's a theory I've blogged about: http://movieactivist.blogspot.com/2016/08/august-29-2016-what-if-they-gave.html --a technology has to pass three tests in order to be the Next Thing:
1) It has to solve an actual problem (like, people who finally gave up their landline phones for cellphones),
2) We're stingy bastards, and we want to get a "First one's free!" taste of it early on our own technology, like playing DVD on our old PS2's, rather than be asked to rush out to Best Buy and buy everything in one package, and
3) It has to have a Killer App that, well, c'mon, you have to watch in the new format..


We aren't talking about a new technology though. We are talking about higher resolution. Something that clearly sells with cameras, smartphones, and hell, now game consoles.


And I'm saying, THAT'S ALL IT IS. It's nice, but it isn't much.

Again, look at the tests:
- DVD made VHS obsolete overnight not just because it "looked better", but because it wiped out all the problems of VHS: No rewinding. Dual-language anime. Instant scene access. You loathed your VHS tapes after watching one DVD.
- Blu-ray had a horse to drive its cart: In 2008, the FCC was just changing forcing a change to digital-TV sets, so we had to go out and buy HDTV flatscreens, which were now "common", instead of big $3000 boxes with no programming. And then we noticed that DVD didn't look as good on HD, after we had the sets already. No one's FORCING us to buy 4K sets, literally or figuratively.
- 3D at least did something: Okay, so the more elaborate stereoscopic camera setups meant ESPN probably never would give us the 3D Super Bowl like they hoped to, but if you're watching Avatar on Blu disk, it's not the stupid flat version that HBO would show. Explain 3D Blu-ray to people and you could say "It's just like you saw it in theaters!", and they'd understand. Explain 4K to people, or show them that it "looks better", and that's nice, but they don't know whether it's the set or the Blu-ray disk...And yes, they'll ask that idiotic "4k of what?"

We've fooled-slash-hypnotized ourselves enough into believing 4K's A Thing so much that I can't rationally doomsay it'll be "gone next year"...We're past that point.
But that's realistically what we've been playing: One big wishful game of pretend, with the studios leading the game. If you want toys, they've got the toys, but what we need are the tools.
And the gamers literally don't care one way or the other, so long as they get their sugar-fix.
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Posted 1/11/17
When people don't even realize that having your screen at 4k doesn't just make the show your watching 4k.
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And I'm saying, THAT'S ALL IT IS. It's nice, but it isn't much.

Again, look at the tests:
- DVD made VHS obsolete overnight not just because it "looked better", but because it wiped out all the problems of VHS: No rewinding. Dual-language anime. Instant scene access. You loathed your VHS tapes after watching one DVD.
- Blu-ray had a horse to drive its cart: In 2008, the FCC was just changing forcing a change to digital-TV sets, so we had to go out and buy HDTV flatscreens, which were now "common", instead of big $3000 boxes with no programming. And then we noticed that DVD didn't look as good on HD, after we had the sets already. No one's FORCING us to buy 4K sets, literally or figuratively.
- 3D at least did something: Okay, so the more elaborate stereoscopic camera setups meant ESPN probably never would give us the 3D Super Bowl like they hoped to, but if you're watching Avatar on Blu disk, it's not the stupid flat version that HBO would show. Explain 3D Blu-ray to people and you could say "It's just like you saw it in theaters!", and they'd understand. Explain 4K to people, or show them that it "looks better", and that's nice, but they don't know whether it's the set or the Blu-ray disk...And yes, they'll ask that idiotic "4k of what?"

We've fooled-slash-hypnotized ourselves enough into believing 4K's A Thing so much that I can't rationally doomsay it'll be "gone next year"...We're past that point.
But that's realistically what we've been playing: One big wishful game of pretend, with the studios leading the game. If you want toys, they've got the toys, but what we need are the tools.


You aren't in touch with how consumers think as much as you think you do.

BluRay failed. 3D failed. These are not success stories. Hell, DVD still outsells BluRay.

Comsumers understand resolution. It's not a big mystery to them.
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Posted 1/11/17 , edited 1/11/17

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Ejanss wrote:

And I'm saying, THAT'S ALL IT IS. It's nice, but it isn't much.

Again, look at the tests:
- DVD made VHS obsolete overnight not just because it "looked better", but because it wiped out all the problems of VHS: No rewinding. Dual-language anime. Instant scene access. You loathed your VHS tapes after watching one DVD.
- Blu-ray had a horse to drive its cart: In 2008, the FCC was just changing forcing a change to digital-TV sets, so we had to go out and buy HDTV flatscreens, which were now "common", instead of big $3000 boxes with no programming. And then we noticed that DVD didn't look as good on HD, after we had the sets already. No one's FORCING us to buy 4K sets, literally or figuratively.
- 3D at least did something: Okay, so the more elaborate stereoscopic camera setups meant ESPN probably never would give us the 3D Super Bowl like they hoped to, but if you're watching Avatar on Blu disk, it's not the stupid flat version that HBO would show. Explain 3D Blu-ray to people and you could say "It's just like you saw it in theaters!", and they'd understand. Explain 4K to people, or show them that it "looks better", and that's nice, but they don't know whether it's the set or the Blu-ray disk...And yes, they'll ask that idiotic "4k of what?"

We've fooled-slash-hypnotized ourselves enough into believing 4K's A Thing so much that I can't rationally doomsay it'll be "gone next year"...We're past that point.
But that's realistically what we've been playing: One big wishful game of pretend, with the studios leading the game. If you want toys, they've got the toys, but what we need are the tools.


You aren't in touch with how consumers think as much as you think you do.

BluRay failed. 3D failed. These are not success stories. Hell, DVD still outsells BluRay.

Comsumers understand resolution. It's not a big mystery to them.


Although the stories of "Blu-ray flopped!" and "3D flopped!" are really more a case of legends passed down through generations--We've told them to ourselves so many times we believe them, without really looking back at where or how those stories first started...Namely, industry press that WANTED us to believe them.

Again, good lords, we're stingy bastards. We don't WANT to buy anything that costs $1500. VHS was still selling into the early 00's, because some people still thought DVD was an "expensive toy" they "didn't need" and that "VHS still looked fine, if you just wanted the movie". That's probably the same rationalization that people use when they think Digital Ownership's still going to be a Thing.

And being cheapskates makes fans ANGRY. Listen to them back in 2010, they didn't hate 3D, they hated how much it COST. And, more to the point, that they'd probably just gotten around to finally getting Blu-ray six months before.
For some reason, you could listen to some fan rant against the "studio conspiracy" of Blu 3D, and count off on your fingers "3..2..1..." before they'd inevitably start ranting about theater surcharges, idiotic Dreamworks CGI's, why they had to "wear those stupid glasses" and the Phantom Menace conversion. It wasn't the format, it was studio paranoia that some big fatcat with a cigar was "forcing" them to pay out thousands of dollars for it.
And why was that so terrible? Because in 2010, it'd been only two years since some big fatcats had convinced the government to force us to buy new TV sets, probably as an excuse to sell those expensive-toy Blu-ray players that didn't work! (And back in 2008, they didn't, unless you owned a PS3. If you owned the cheap accessible mass-marketed Sony SD-300 standalone, sucked to be you.)
If somebody was ranting against Blu3D, you could count off another "3...2...1..." before they'd also make the same stupid grumbling joke about "Yeah, just watch, three years from now, the studios'll probably force 4D Holographic Smell-O-Vision on us, for twice the price!" Well, close, but they got the date right...

Naturally, the industry press was a little........biased. They wanted to make these "annoyances" go away, and thought the power of the press would help shape reality. If you were a clueless low-tech consumer, or clueless low-tech studio executive, you picked up the press and read bloodthirsty stories of "Low sales for Blu-ray, can we get rid of it now, huh, can we now, can we, huh?", and even less objective articles for 3D.
As a result, eight years later, studios still portray Blu-ray as an "odd hobbyist niche" (okay, hands up, anyone who's bought a DVD in the last year, right now), read the DVD numbers from Target and Best Buy first, with the Blu as a "footnote", and then claim, "Disk sales must be down!" in the hopes that Digital Will Be The Next Thing Because It's New.

In home theater, don't read the press, go with your instincts and talk to the people.
Posted 1/11/17 , edited 1/11/17
I can't believe someone on Crunchyroll is in denial about online streaming.

Can't wait to call my bae and be all like hey girl wanna bluray and chill

Then she'll dump me for some cat with Netflix because no one wants to watch a bluray
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KennethKenstar wrote:

I can't believe someone on Crunchyroll is in denial about online streaming.

Can't wait to call my bae and be all like hey girl wanna bluray and chill


Uh, might want to read that article I linked a few posts back:
Streaming Subscription is NOT Digital Ownership, and neither is Digital Rental.
If Funi asked you to buy permanent libraries of half the shows you currently stream for "free" on CR, you wouldn't. End of story.

There's a reason that Streaming Subscription and Rental are taking hold and Streaming Ownership isn't, and for that, friend, I also linked the numbers.
Posted 1/11/17 , edited 1/11/17
Ejanss, no offense, but you are all over the place.

No one cares about the topic of digital ownership/licensing anymore. And even if they did, the current state of things makes physical and digital ownership of the media exactly the same sans the disc. You are stuck in the past. And it's not even relevant.

This is about 4K media. Not physical/digital media.
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