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I find it ridiculous to say the mods are giving special treatment, as least in my case. Though how can I explain my lack of bans? Isn't it possible that maybe, MAYBE, I have been a good boy?!

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I find it ridiculous to say the mods are giving special treatment, as least in my case. Though how can I explain my lack of bans? Isn't it possible that maybe, MAYBE, I have been a good boy?!



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Posted 8/3/16

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Your batshit crazy rant against social injustice isn't social justice warriorism? Good to know it only goes one way.


Yes, it goes only one way because I don't believe in Cultural Marxism. Nor do I believe in silencing my opponents. Social Justice is commonly known to be associated with various movements that have Cultural Marxism as the core of it. Also, which rant to you speak of? This one I had here? Where basically all I did was get mad that again, people accuse a movie of "white-washing" because these people only wish to focus on arbitrary features, treating them as if they were apart of their very character.

If arguing back in opposition to these ideas is in your mind, Social Justice, then call me such, I don't care too much. Because you and I clearly have different definitions of the term.

I guess that makes many people as such then. I guess you want to broaden the term to such a vague level.

Now, that's a big pile of rationalization. Good luck down the rabbit hole, Alice. I'm not following.
Posted 8/3/16 , edited 8/3/16

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It almost certainly didn't have monsters but the movie does... so yeah...arguments over ethnic authenticity of the actors are kinda mute when they are fighting mythical creatures that never existed in a world based on an allegory of European xenophobia towards foreigners.


Would you ever see an Asian character in a Medieval film though? What about Games of Thrones? Not a single Asian character. So why are they choosing a White character in an Ancient Chinese setting? That's ridiculous.

Having monsters in a film doesn't make it OK for a character to be White when the setting doesn't call for it.

This is a much bigger and deeper issue than, "It's just a movie" or "It has monsters so any race of people can be in it". If that were the case, why not a Black guy or a Middle Eastern guy? Why specifically a White guy? Of course the obvious answer is they're trying to sell this product, but the main issue lies behind this reasoning, which is the issue of inferiority-complex and Whitewashing by whoever chose this particular actor to represent a character in an Ancient Chinese setting.


But why do I even waste my breath, people come into this thread with their mind made up and it's like I'm talking to a brick wall.
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I'm not a racist, although ideally I prefer Asian actors for anime adaptations, because anime is Japanese and it seems more natural, but having said that I don't really care too much if the acting is good.
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OneOfTheseDays wrote:Would you ever see an Asian character in a Medieval film though? What about Games of Thrones? Not a single Asian character. So why are they choosing a White character in an Ancient Chinese setting? That's ridiculous.

Having monsters in a film doesn't make it OK for a character to be White when the setting doesn't call for it.

This is a much bigger and deeper issue than, "It's just a movie" or "It has monsters so any race of people can be in it". If that were the case, why not a Black guy or a Middle Eastern guy? Why specifically a White guy? Of course the obvious answer is they're trying to sell this product, but the main issue lies behind this reasoning, which is the issue of inferiority-complex and Whitewashing by whoever chose this particular actor to represent a character in an Ancient Chinese setting.


But why do I even waste my breath, people come into this thread with their mind made up and it's like I'm talking to a brick wall.


If you really want to know who choose Matt Damon it was Victoria Thomas who was responsible for the casting in Django Unchained, Blood Diamond and The Hateful Eight to name a few.
She also cast Pedro Pascal aka Oberyn Martell from Game of Thrones and Turkish born Numan Acar in this movie as well as Willem Dafoe. Virtually every other actor is Chinese or Taiwanese.

But sure lets go with whitewashing.
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Posted 8/3/16 , edited 8/3/16

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Southern55 wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


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"European soldier who fights monsters on the Great Wall of China."


How dare they have a white man play as a European soldier!!! What is wrong with these racists?!?!


It's basically just an excuse to cast Damon if you ask me.


For me it all depends on where the story came from. Was there a source material? What was the MC like there? Or is it a story written specifically to make this movie.

If it was written specifically for this movie then I don't care if the MC is black white Asian or martian. That's the director/writer's choice. Now if there was a book or something this is based off of, and they changed the character's background to fit the casting then I might have some issue with it.


It's especially problematic considering the history behind it. One of the reasons/justifications why the overseas powers in Europe pretty much colonized a weakened China during the 19th century is because they thought they were "saving" it alongside various racist, setting the grounds for the communist power to be where it is today. As Constance Wu mentions, the myth that a white man can save foreign ethnic groups from itself is a dangerous one.


Albeit, I first thought the film took place during that time, so I'll have to withdraw my previous criticism. On note, it takes place during the Northern Song Dynasty.


I'll agree with that. Though I don't think the average viewer would think deeply enough to draw that sort of thought from a movie.
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Is Lorreen biased? Gives PV special treatment?

I wonder if he gets more cookies, too..

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Jophar_Vorin wrote:

Is Lorreen biased? Gives PV special treatment?

I wonder if he gets more cookies, too..



Hmpf. That would be cruel.

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CreatorTheta wrote:


Hrafna wrote:

Your batshit crazy rant against social injustice isn't social justice warriorism? Good to know it only goes one way.


Yes, it goes only one way because I don't believe in Cultural Marxism. Nor do I believe in silencing my opponents. Social Justice is commonly known to be associated with various movements that have Cultural Marxism as the core of it. Also, which rant to you speak of? This one I had here? Where basically all I did was get mad that again, people accuse a movie of "white-washing" because these people only wish to focus on arbitrary features, treating them as if they were apart of their very character.

If arguing back in opposition to these ideas is in your mind, Social Justice, then call me such, I don't care too much. Because you and I clearly have different definitions of the term.

I guess that makes many people as such then. I guess you want to broaden the term to such a vague level.

Now, that's a big pile of rationalization. Good luck down the rabbit hole, Alice. I'm not following.


Yeah, because you and I have different opinions on what a SJW is.

I equate an SJW to a Cultural Marxist.

You equate an SJW to a person who argues with people about social issues heavily.

Is that simple enough for you?

Maybe I should stop using the term even if it's more than commonly used in the areas I dwell in. Because, both definitions are reasonable to believe, just not at the same time obviously. A Cultural Marxist or A Regressive is more specific. And every once in a while do I see a person use the term "SJW" to describe your stance as I have viewed. Either way, we are arguing over definitions. And that, for some terms LIKE this, is debatable and subjective.

The problem is that personally I believe that, if you deem me to be an SJW by this standard, than many people in history would also count. And I don't feel this is exactly reasonable because I am no where near these people in terms of importance. But, if you do, then it's fine. I don't care, as I said. I just feel that it would be better for you to specify what precisely you mean, by an SJW.

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Cute.

I'm stealing this.
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Cute.

I'm stealing this.


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I find it ridiculous to say the mods are giving special treatment, as least in my case. Though how can I explain my lack of bans? Isn't it possible that maybe, MAYBE, I have been a good boy?!



PV, I didn't say MODS. I said Loreen.

One Mod.

I want to be specific so you don't take my comment wrong. I honestly don't know how all the other mods BESIDES Loreen treat you. They could be just as fair or just as bias. But I don't know, so I don't claim to do so.

But Loreen is. Towards you.

And PV, your comments can be easily as offensive as anyone else's. You have insulted people. I think at least several of us have seen this.

However, this isn't YOUR fault. You can't control the actions of Loreen, nor do I expect you to. But I am stating that I believe Loreen is Bias because I want the CrunchyRoll Forums to be fair. To apply the laws of this site equally, or remove them.

Here, I'll give a simple situation. Say, a kid throws a rock through a window intentionally. He gets punished. But then, another kid, who is respected by the teacher, throws a rock through another window in the same fashion intentionally. But, doesn't get punished.

Is that fair.

I equate the mod to a person who is meant to be monitoring the students. Even if she is bias towards the student, she shouldn't ACT upon that bias, because it's an abuse of power. It means that certain people can get away with certain things, allowing them to push the limits more.

I simply want Loreen, to not be bias. To give the same punishment and threats that she gives to others who do the same things.

Because Loreen, IS A MODERATOR.

It is her duty to be impartial to those she moderates, otherwise it's an unbalanced system.

And an unfair one.

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Cute.

I'm stealing this.


Ahh, this anime.
Not a bad one. Not the best mystery out there, but alright.
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CreatorTheta wrote:

Ahh, this anime.
Not a bad one. Not the best mystery out there, but alright.


I also like noodles!
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