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So whats your opinion on sentient robots?
Bullshit? Possible? Danger? Great?

Would they be able to love?
Would they be able to kill?
Would they be able to vote?
Would they be able to steal your girlfriend or boifriend?

My opinion is: 'I dont know.'

Debate!

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All 100,000,000 of us vote Trump for president... He programmed us to.
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i feel it would be hard for humans to create true sentient robots/androids and i personally think they shouldn't
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Rujikin wrote:

All 100,000,000 of us vote Trump for president... He programmed us to.


Waow.
Wait... Have someone actually said that?
Posted 8/4/16
Here's my opinion. Nobody on the site is (or at very best very few people are) intelligent enough to have a real talk about this.
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ZavinRoyalheart wrote:

Here's my opinion. Nobody on the site is (or at very best very few people are) intelligent enough to have a real talk about this.


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There may be a handful who are genuinely interested in this discussion, but in the end, the urge to troll the thread won out.

I have always loved robots/cyborgs/androids etc. as a concept and I look forward to humans mechanizing and digitizing more and more aspects of themselves, but the danger there would be in the point at which it would be possible to use those same technologies that augment us in order to control us and erode free will. That would be the worst. Free will is an important part of what we, as humanity, are. Anything that threatens a diversity of minds and impedes awareness, sentience and sapience themselves would not seem like an attractive future to anyone who has any degree of love for their fellow man/woman/intersex/none/other.

When it's the other and less likely scenario of robots becoming the computational equivalent of a biological sentient organism rather than sentient becoming the physical equivalent of a robot [and in doing so, lose none of their rights as a self-aware biological sentient], it complicates matters. The moment they exist, you'll need a robust method of differentiation between these robots and others who have less free will or are only programmed to emulate sentience. Without a fool-proof method of doing so, it'd open up the possibility of all kinds of dangerous and harmful frauds that could set back our civilisation.

So, while I love me some fictional sentient androids/robots/cyborgs I don't think they ought to exist for realsies.

That said, non-sentient androids which are programmed to emulate sentience but do not ascend to a higher plane of awareness would be fun and funky toys so long as they don't end up looking like us (that'd be so creepy, mang. Too much anthropomorphization just makes the concept seem objectifying, kind of like why them peeps wheeling around dolls treating them like real children creep me out)
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mythee wrote:

There may be a handful who are genuinely interested in this discussion, but in the end, the urge to troll the thread won out.

I have always loved robots/cyborgs/androids etc. as a concept and I look forward to humans mechanizing and digitizing more and more aspects of themselves, but the danger there would be in the point at which it would be possible to use those same technologies that augment us in order to control us and erode free will. That would be the worst. Free will is an important part of what we, as humanity, are. Anything that threatens a diversity of minds and impedes awareness, sentience and sapience themselves would not seem like an attractive future to anyone who has any degree of love for their fellow man/woman/intersex/none/other.

When it's the other and less likely scenario of robots becoming the computational equivalent of a biological sentient organism rather than sentient becoming the physical equivalent of a robot [and in doing so, lose none of their rights as a self-aware biological sentient], it complicates matters. The moment they exist, you'll need a robust method of differentiation between these robots and others who have less free will or are only programmed to emulate sentience. Without a fool-proof method of doing so, it'd open up the possibility of all kinds of dangerous and harmful frauds that could set back our civilisation.

So, while I love me some fictional sentient androids/robots/cyborgs I don't think they ought to exist for realsies.

That said, non-sentient androids which are programmed to emulate sentience but do not ascend to a higher plane of awareness would be fun and funky toys so long as they don't end up looking like us (that'd be so creepy, mang. Too much anthropomorphization just makes the concept seem objectifying, kind of like why them peeps wheeling around dolls treating them like real children creep me out)


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Saved you a lotta typing there broski xD
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Impossible with current programming technology. It will, at most, just appear to be self-aware, but since we can only program using logic gates, it will have some sort of pattern to it's "line of thought".

iRobot was a great movie though.
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Jophar_Vorin wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

All 100,000,000 of us vote Trump for president... He programmed us to.


Waow.
Wait... Have someone actually said that?


I said that. Or you could watch futurama where all the robot votes voted for nixon during the 10 seconds of election time that they had.


ZavinRoyalheart wrote:

Here's my opinion. Nobody on the site is (or at very best very few people are) intelligent enough to have a real talk about this.


As a programmer I believe I am because I understand just how hard it is to make anything even "appear" intelligent. Right now "intelligent robots" either brute force acting like humans or their programming is the result of brute forcing so many human behaviors that it caught onto a pattern. However since most people act according to cultural patters it could more or less fool most people in time, unless your on the internet where we break all logic and patterns then turn computers into Hitler: http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist

However to make a robot truely intelligent the code base would be HUUUUUUGE and it would be easy to put one line in there to influence their vote and no one would be able to find it to prove it.


XxDarkSasuxX wrote:

Impossible with current programming technology. It will, at most, just appear to be self-aware, but since we can only program using logic gates, it will have some sort of pattern to it's "line of thought".

iRobot was a great movie though.


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