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If your taxes are that bad and you can't afford free healthcare then something is wrong.



People could afford healthcare on their own if democrats stop taxing the crap out of people.


What about those who are jobless or homeless or too poor to afford healthcare?

What about those who need to goto the hospital routinely and as such can't afford it.

Those people exist and the others need to help them out


Dude I grew up in a household making less than 10k a year. I will let you in on something, those people you just described. Are usually people who dug that hell hole of a situation. It's easier to sit around collecting free checks than it is to do something about it.

Your preaching this stuff to the wrong guy.


Well I can tell you if I lived in America I would be dead

I can only afford to live and study due to the healthcare system in my country.

All my 13 pills I take a day which I need are 90% cheaper due to taxes (still cost like 100 a week)
My psychologist visits which are necessary are paid by the government.

I am sick a lot so I visit the doctor a lot as I have health problems.
I see a specialist for my hormones (not producing right) which costs a shit ton without tax money.

Without the healthcare system in my country I would be dead Americas healthcare just irks me to no end.

I hardly get by now imagine if I had to pay 90% more what I do now as a student



Except you wouldn't be dead at all. They don't just say "sucks to be you, have fun dying". You would still get treated and prescribed, and were we not so fixated on socialist healthcare plans we could implement far more effective aid programs instead of allowing one of our countries strongest and most innovative industries go down the crapper.

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Punk_Mela wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


descloud wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


descloud wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

If your taxes are that bad and you can't afford free healthcare then something is wrong.



People could afford healthcare on their own if democrats stop taxing the crap out of people.


What about those who are jobless or homeless or too poor to afford healthcare?

What about those who need to goto the hospital routinely and as such can't afford it.

Those people exist and the others need to help them out


Dude I grew up in a household making less than 10k a year. I will let you in on something, those people you just described. Are usually people who dug that hell hole of a situation. It's easier to sit around collecting free checks than it is to do something about it.

Your preaching this stuff to the wrong guy.


Well I can tell you if I lived in America I would be dead

I can only afford to live and study due to the healthcare system in my country.

All my 13 pills I take a day which I need are 90% cheaper due to taxes (still cost like 100 a week)
My psychologist visits which are necessary are paid by the government.

I am sick a lot so I visit the doctor a lot as I have health problems.
I see a specialist for my hormones (not producing right) which costs a shit ton without tax money.

Without the healthcare system in my country I would be dead Americas healthcare just irks me to no end.

I hardly get by now imagine if I had to pay 90% more what I do now as a student



Except you wouldn't be dead at all. They don't just say "sucks to be you, have fun dying". You would still get treated and prescribed, and were we not so fixated on socialist healthcare plans we could implement far more effective aid programs instead of allowing one of our countries strongest and most innovative industries go down the crapper.


Fair enough but from knowing people with my problems they were left with debt and other issues and they couldn't get their free psychologist visits.

Yup but your quality of life would be left to be shit a good country would make someone in my situation able to study whilst living comfortably and have the medication and psychologist visits they need.

Sad America will never have a healthcare system as good as my countries one and the country has a long way to go not with just healthcare but many things like disability support , Gun control etc.

Socialism isn't that good but some of their ideas are solid Medicare in my country is something I'm glad to have.

Next year I plan to goto university and I will afford my rent due to government payouts for home leavers who study....which comes from...Taxes.

America needs those kind of things.
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Aid shouldn't end in debt though.
Also there is a big majority who didn't do anything wrong.
People should help others via tax or directly.

Because of my luck to live in my country. Not only do I get financial aid ($500 a fortnight) but I also get free healthcare and can live happily whilst applying for a job and studying.

Problem is you can't live even semi-comfortably on financial aid programs.


My country would be shit if it had Americas piss poor healthcare system.

People with my disability in America end up having to suffer and live uncomfortably because they can't get jobs and people refuse to help them live.

Society should fight together to make sure all who try can live comfortably.





This is wholly untrue, if I assist you it should end with you repaying me for my assistance, not that the vast majority of aid programs even require that so it is irrelevant.

This is also completely untrue, again the overwhelming amount of people on these programs have no one to blame but themselves. Give me legitimate examples of why these people are unable to work their way out of poverty with all the current aid programs the US offers outside of Obamacare. Cause there really aren't a lot.

I think it is incredibly wrong of you to comment about the quality of life we sustain and the errors of our system if you do not even live in it. People can live incredibly comfortably on these financial aid programs. In so much that functioning members of society go out of their way to live on these systems.
We have multiple programs that already exist to combat this exact thing already, Have you missed the millions of people who receive disability checks? or the mountain-load of programs like WorkForce that go out of their way to specifically place disabled and unemployed Americans? I have worked in the healthcare industry, working 12 hour days these people lived FAR and away more comfortably than I.
This is your opinion and not any sort of fact but it is an opinion I agree with, and by putting my money into private groups that I can investigate and insure my money is spent as effectively as possible i can insure that the most people are being helped. Government run programs burn money and are the epitome of dysfunction. Far less effective and wholly unamerican to demand.
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Aid shouldn't end in debt though.
Also there is a big majority who didn't do anything wrong.
People should help others via tax or directly.

Because of my luck to live in my country. Not only do I get financial aid ($500 a fortnight) but I also get free healthcare and can live happily whilst applying for a job and studying.

Problem is you can't live even semi-comfortably on financial aid programs.


My country would be shit if it had Americas piss poor healthcare system.

People with my disability in America end up having to suffer and live uncomfortably because they can't get jobs and people refuse to help them live.

Society should fight together to make sure all who try can live comfortably.





This is wholly untrue, if I assist you it should end with you repaying me for my assistance, not that the vast majority of aid programs even require that so it is irrelevant.

This is also completely untrue, again the overwhelming amount of people on these programs have no one to blame but themselves. Give me legitimate examples of why these people are unable to work their way out of poverty with all the current aid programs the US offers outside of Obamacare. Cause there really aren't a lot.

I think it is incredibly wrong of you to comment about the quality of life we sustain and the errors of our system if you do not even live in it. People can live incredibly comfortably on these financial aid programs. In so much that functioning members of society go out of their way to live on these systems.
We have multiple programs that already exist to combat this exact thing already, Have you missed the millions of people who receive disability checks? or the mountain-load of programs like WorkForce that go out of their way to specifically place disabled and unemployed Americans? I have worked in the healthcare industry, working 12 hour days these people lived FAR and away more comfortably than I.
This is your opinion and not any sort of fact but it is an opinion I agree with, and by putting my money into private groups that I can investigate and insure my money is spent as effectively as possible i can insure that the most people are being helped. Government run programs burn money and are the epitome of dysfunction. Far less effective and wholly unamerican to demand.


Well I disagree with your opinion also many Autistic people cannot work due to their disability
I'll just be glad my country isn't America if it follows America in the future I'll be the first to leave it
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree
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Well I disagree with your opinion also many Autistic people cannot work due to their disability
I'll just be glad my country isn't America if it follows America in the future I'll be the first to leave it
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree


Well I have to disagree with your opinion on the basis that you haven't actually provided any reasons for it. Also FYI, autistic people very often do work and receive a monthly disability check to help insure their quality of life. You are clearly very young, and will probably change your opinions when you enter into the work force/do a little research and then come back to see the ways your tax dollars are wasted. If your country ends up like America and mine ends up like yours shoot me a PM, I would switch in a heartbeat.



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Well I disagree with your opinion also many Autistic people cannot work due to their disability
I'll just be glad my country isn't America if it follows America in the future I'll be the first to leave it
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree

Well I have to disagree with your opinion on the basis that you haven't actually provided any reasons for it. Also FYI, autistic people very often do work and receive a monthly disability check to help insure their quality of life. You are clearly very young, and will probably change your opinions when you enter into the work force/do a little research and then come back to see the ways your tax dollars are wasted. If your country ends up like America and mine ends up like yours shoot me a PM, I would switch in a heartbeat.





You are right I obviously don't know enough I can see that now.

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You are right I obviously don't know enough I can see that now.




In the likelihood that this is sarcasm, I didn't mean to come off as uppity. I am actually interested in your opinion even if I disagree with it, if I came off as rude I apologize. I just feel that sort of system has done a lot of harm to my country and have come to this conclusion after a lot of time spent reading on it.
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Blame the idiots who made it possible for her to get this far.


You mean the DNC that committed voter fraud?
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Nothing Hhhhhhhhilary does by way of deceit surprises me. H.
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What about High class?
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I am glad people vote for an undemocratic elected nominee :p (Sarcasm)

Either way, looking forward to november.
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Yeah, after this year people should just start calling them the undemocratic party.

I mean for ****s sake they even voted down getting rid of super delegates for 2020...
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What about High class?


Well she is funded by the people that caused the recession and are known for being corrupt or being monopolies.

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Hillary's tax plan will raise taxes across the board to pay for her proposed programs, with the wealthiest Americans paying a significant amount more into the system. Yes, that does include a increasing tax on the middle class, but all in all, it is a very minor increase compared to the increase seen in the rich or ultra rich classes.
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Lol, wow. Just wow. The "left wing development" that produced highways and public school was nothing like the modern left wing, and if you think the democrats are solely responsible for this you are sorely mistaken. That is an incredibly poor argument. And no, other countries aren't "working out great", private sector healthcare industries thrive in countries like Canada and Italy, which I have personally had nationals from both these countries explain to me just how horrible these programs are and how lucky they are to be immigrating to the US. "Free" healthcare isn't free and it has no place existing in a "democratic" country when it was rejected democratically and imposed as a tax to begin with.


Good job, the point went over your head. If you saw the initial argument, it was that it is incredibly stupid to hate 'democrats,' as a whole, but rather hate the people. And well that's a no brainer, there are some decent republicans with some more social progressive platforms, but if they were a majority, I don't think they'd be called a conservative party. I don't think I've seen a whole lot of good arguments from you either honestly. Happy to be immigrating to the US? LOL that's hilarious, your country is so fucked up backwards that I find it hard to believe. Now, if they are wealthy individuals.. maybe I could understand it, as you can't buy your way through everything as easily here as you can there.

I'd have trouble believing it was rejected democratically, there's no real democracy in a country with such a convoluted system as the US, like electoral colleges(wtf), incredibly low voter turnouts, whether it is because they made voting difficult or deceived people through the media(only time republicans usually win)
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